True. It is a prominent feature hanging off down there. The only thing that reduces the chances for me that it's Breen in origin is the fact that the Shrike is bilaterally symmetrical down the centerline. Breen ships are not.
PIC S3 Ships & Tech
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The further we get into the season, the more I think the change from the Titan to the Titan-A was a later change in production. Obviously the sets and ship models reflect the final product, but as it's scripted (most notably in "The Next Generation", but with hints in the subsequent episodes) it feels to me that the Titan we're aboard was originally meant to be the Luna-class Titan, with a "refit" scripted in to account for any visual differences between the novels / Lower Decks and what they commandeered.
Then at some point Matalas fell in love with the Shangri-La model and asked for it to be used as a new Titan, re-writing the script around it (mostly) and shoehorning the successor into the show. The Picard aftershow segment on the incorporation of the new Titan-A seems to support this, including Matalas' comments that they wanted to put Riker "back on the Titan", and others saying that they wanted to "bring that design forward" and "doing an upgraded Titan" before Matalas goes into wanting to bring the Connie look back.
Anyway, on to the 303 notes:
- Once again, no one thinks that launching a shuttle to sneak off and send for help would be a good idea, despite having ample time with no one shooting at anyone to do it.
- Titan's phasers are fired from offscreen, so we don't see where from, but they're more typical TNG-type phaser beams. There is no obvious phaser strip mounted aft, but they could have been fired from the saucer mounts. OTOH, even if they WERE fired from ball turrets, this was already done multiple times in assorted DS9 episodes.
- Those shorter consoles on the sides of the Titan's bridge have moved since the last episode, to a place better suited to talk to the Captain. No one is seen moving them. The forward consoles flanking the main viewer have also moved since last week, and have NDs on the nearer side again.
- Less mobile are the chairs in the obs lounge behind, which despite looking like 21st century casters are clearly built with futuristic force field to keep from rolling around or even spinning when the ship is hit.
- Jack goes to call on Seven, and after he knocks a lot she goes to answer it. The door starts to open a half second before Seven hits the button. I guess the door didn't think Seven was under lockdown?
- The Titan sickbay is two steps down from the corridor, and accessed by a ramp. Why is the room offset compared to the rest of the deck? Is the Titan a split-level home?
- The portal weapon takes full advantage of how SLOW torpedoes are here. It's nothing new, but especially since the TNG movies hit, something seems to keep photon torpedoes from getting any real speed going. Perhaps it's the aspect ratio.
- Regardless, the portal also seems to have some sort of temporal offset, as it really looks there's a gap between when the Titan or torpedoes or whatever starts going through the portal and exits the other side, where from the perspective of the Titan it seem to be a two-dimensional plane and not a tube of some kind.
- Worf's new kur'leth is magnetically attached to his back armor. And on the subject of the metal he's wearing, it seems his bandolier doesn't extend all the way to his hip the way it used to.
- La Sirena seems to have traded its transporter pad for an interrogation chair. I'm pretty sure the pad moved last year too, so maybe Raffi packed the whole thing up, or moved it downstairs (and the jury's out as to whether we'll see that lower deck this season, as it's already been seen as the Shrike's bridge).
- Worf concluding that the Changeling needed to return to a liquid state periodically is correct but somewhat inaccurate. While Odo needed to do this, no other Founder ever demonstrated this necessity and it was heavily implied that Odo himself eventually abandoned the practice after earlier abandoning his bucket; he’d apparently learned how to stay solid longer either from being in the Link or just with practice, to the point where in the sixth season he apparently stayed solid for three days without noticing it. THIS Changeling may have needed to revert because he and his kin abandoned the Great Link, or for some other reason; but by and large there’s little to suggest that any Founder but Odo ever had a problem staying solid as long as they needed to.. Or the writers just forgot about having to hamstring Odo with this requirement for a story, which is almost as likely.
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Then at some point Matalas fell in love with the Shangri-La model and asked for it to be used as a new Titan, re-writing the script around it (mostly) and shoehorning the successor into the show. The Picard aftershow segment on the incorporation of the new Titan-A seems to support this, including Matalas' comments that they wanted to put Riker "back on the Titan", and others saying that they wanted to "bring that design forward" and "doing an upgraded Titan" before Matalas goes into wanting to bring the Connie look back.
Anyway, on to the 303 notes:
- Once again, no one thinks that launching a shuttle to sneak off and send for help would be a good idea, despite having ample time with no one shooting at anyone to do it.
- Titan's phasers are fired from offscreen, so we don't see where from, but they're more typical TNG-type phaser beams. There is no obvious phaser strip mounted aft, but they could have been fired from the saucer mounts. OTOH, even if they WERE fired from ball turrets, this was already done multiple times in assorted DS9 episodes.
- Those shorter consoles on the sides of the Titan's bridge have moved since the last episode, to a place better suited to talk to the Captain. No one is seen moving them. The forward consoles flanking the main viewer have also moved since last week, and have NDs on the nearer side again.
- Less mobile are the chairs in the obs lounge behind, which despite looking like 21st century casters are clearly built with futuristic force field to keep from rolling around or even spinning when the ship is hit.
- Jack goes to call on Seven, and after he knocks a lot she goes to answer it. The door starts to open a half second before Seven hits the button. I guess the door didn't think Seven was under lockdown?
- The Titan sickbay is two steps down from the corridor, and accessed by a ramp. Why is the room offset compared to the rest of the deck? Is the Titan a split-level home?
- The portal weapon takes full advantage of how SLOW torpedoes are here. It's nothing new, but especially since the TNG movies hit, something seems to keep photon torpedoes from getting any real speed going. Perhaps it's the aspect ratio.
- Regardless, the portal also seems to have some sort of temporal offset, as it really looks there's a gap between when the Titan or torpedoes or whatever starts going through the portal and exits the other side, where from the perspective of the Titan it seem to be a two-dimensional plane and not a tube of some kind.
- Worf's new kur'leth is magnetically attached to his back armor. And on the subject of the metal he's wearing, it seems his bandolier doesn't extend all the way to his hip the way it used to.
- La Sirena seems to have traded its transporter pad for an interrogation chair. I'm pretty sure the pad moved last year too, so maybe Raffi packed the whole thing up, or moved it downstairs (and the jury's out as to whether we'll see that lower deck this season, as it's already been seen as the Shrike's bridge).
- Worf concluding that the Changeling needed to return to a liquid state periodically is correct but somewhat inaccurate. While Odo needed to do this, no other Founder ever demonstrated this necessity and it was heavily implied that Odo himself eventually abandoned the practice after earlier abandoning his bucket; he’d apparently learned how to stay solid longer either from being in the Link or just with practice, to the point where in the sixth season he apparently stayed solid for three days without noticing it. THIS Changeling may have needed to revert because he and his kin abandoned the Great Link, or for some other reason; but by and large there’s little to suggest that any Founder but Odo ever had a problem staying solid as long as they needed to.. Or the writers just forgot about having to hamstring Odo with this requirement for a story, which is almost as likely.
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Uniforms show up on the Star Trek Cruise:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/star-trek-the-cruise-museum-picard-costumes-and-props.313432/
This week we see that the (starship?) duty uniform undershirt has departmental highlights. I guess it's basically irrelevant when uniforms must be largely replicated (short of having a creepily awesome tailor on your space station), but it doesn't make that much sense for a uniform to have departmental coloring that would otherwise be unseen. It makes more sense IMO for the undershirt to be... well, uniform, like Voyager's undershirts, if the visible parts are the same between departments. The same thing bothered me with the First Contact greys, with a flash of color on the sleeves.
Riker’s outfit is apparently meant for officers on shore or starbase duty. I guess a close analogue is the rather bulky starbase uniform people were wearing in “Beyond”, into which Kirk changed for no reason while at Starbase Yorktown (though I know those scenes were filmed some time after principal production had wrapped).
Meanwhile, Picard’s outfit is also called a uniform, apparently another variation of his more casual uniform that he wore back in the 70s and 80s. I preferred the one he wore last year though, the two tone grey was more distinguished.
And I guess shiny Riker in the 80s was wearing a briefly-used Nemesis uniform evolution before people settled into the versions we saw in earlier season flashbacks? Or perhaps it was the starship duty variant while Picard and Raffi had more colourful shore based uniforms? Meanwhile, Picard is almost uncharacteristically out of uniform while at Guinan's, though we do peg his promotion to Admiral at 2381 or earlier now based on Thad's age in 2399 had he gotten that far - the picture of Picard and Thad on the Titan or Enterprise-E had Thad at more than newborn age, so probably 2382 or so.
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https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/star-trek-the-cruise-museum-picard-costumes-and-props.313432/
This week we see that the (starship?) duty uniform undershirt has departmental highlights. I guess it's basically irrelevant when uniforms must be largely replicated (short of having a creepily awesome tailor on your space station), but it doesn't make that much sense for a uniform to have departmental coloring that would otherwise be unseen. It makes more sense IMO for the undershirt to be... well, uniform, like Voyager's undershirts, if the visible parts are the same between departments. The same thing bothered me with the First Contact greys, with a flash of color on the sleeves.
Riker’s outfit is apparently meant for officers on shore or starbase duty. I guess a close analogue is the rather bulky starbase uniform people were wearing in “Beyond”, into which Kirk changed for no reason while at Starbase Yorktown (though I know those scenes were filmed some time after principal production had wrapped).
Meanwhile, Picard’s outfit is also called a uniform, apparently another variation of his more casual uniform that he wore back in the 70s and 80s. I preferred the one he wore last year though, the two tone grey was more distinguished.
And I guess shiny Riker in the 80s was wearing a briefly-used Nemesis uniform evolution before people settled into the versions we saw in earlier season flashbacks? Or perhaps it was the starship duty variant while Picard and Raffi had more colourful shore based uniforms? Meanwhile, Picard is almost uncharacteristically out of uniform while at Guinan's, though we do peg his promotion to Admiral at 2381 or earlier now based on Thad's age in 2399 had he gotten that far - the picture of Picard and Thad on the Titan or Enterprise-E had Thad at more than newborn age, so probably 2382 or so.
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He's reporting in to a senior officer, and wore the uniform of the day. Not unusual at all.
But it wouldn't go unseen when the jacket is removed. And we've seen many circumstances where characters go jacket-less, usually to show just how dire some situation is.
Dave Blass gives us a little bit of "what if", suggesting they WERE thinking about literally ripping the guts out of the hulk of Riker's Titan and MacGyvering them into a new ship. It's really neat concept art (I love the damage to the previous Titan and seeing the workbees stripping the old warp coils to put into the new nacelles), but IMO we're still putting a square peg into a round hole by calling this a "refit".
https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1633800104321712131/photo/1
"16 Years ago the Federation lost the Utopia Planitia Fleetyards, this was not just machinery, and infrastructure but raw materials that are used to manufacture ships. A disaster of that scale, caused a massive of upheaval in the starship construction process."
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https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1633800104321712131/photo/1
"16 Years ago the Federation lost the Utopia Planitia Fleetyards, this was not just machinery, and infrastructure but raw materials that are used to manufacture ships. A disaster of that scale, caused a massive of upheaval in the starship construction process."
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Maybe. I guess the umpteen zillion Inquiry-class ships must have been c̶a̶n̶n̶i̶b̶a̶l̶i̶z̶e̶d̶ refitted from Oberth-class ships. Unless the Novas got to them first. :P
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Maybe they were "refit" from unused Texas Class ships, having most of them be unmanned drones would better explain the sheer number of them
I'm probably alone in this, but it'd have been neat if it was the Constitution-class that was at Wolf 359.
USS Victory, NCC-9754. Close enough to the Constance to be in the same production run, maybe? The Victory was seen in action in TNG season 2, and if you can believe the Okudagrams she was on missions in later TNG episodes and then in combat during the Dominion War. Old doesn't mean obsolete. 
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I would have preferred if his ship was the Rigel class USS Tolstoy, the only vessel from BoBW that we didn't see.
But not the Melbourne. That would have been far too fanwanky, especially given that Riker turned down its command.
did you not see those impulse engines?It's interesting to see that the Titan-A has no thrusters that fire directly aft. It was almost like watching a diagonally-built Cosmoteer ship flying
Well, Seven does command Crash to go light up the aft thrusters in spacedock back in the first episode...
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