Petition Alert. No More Star Trek Time Travel Stories!

[Delta1]

Not only am I sick of time travel, I dread the idea of it being used as some sort of in-continuity reboot. I've seen those done before. Crisis on Infinite Earths was awful, but at least the rebooted universe hit the ground running as soon as the Crisis was over. That won't happen here; you'll get an entire movie dedicated to explaining the soft reboot, then you won't actually see a Reboot Universe movie for another three years. The Reboot Universe will be a cipher, perhaps filled in by some contradictory novels that don't really commit to saying anything interesting, which will all be swept away by Reboot Trek 2.

Eventually, the fans of Preboot Trek will get control of the franchise, and unboot the reboot, giving us an Unboot Universe that resembles the Preboot more than the Reboot. Then no one will be happy, because the Reboot fans will think they're being ignored and the Preboot fans will think the Unboot is just a bastardized miscegenation of the previous two universes.

Never mind the fact that there are still people who think First Contact was a soft reboot and that Enterprise and the post-FC movies exist in a different universe than TOS and the pre-FC movies. That madness is just a preview of what awaits us if we suffer through a confirmed soft reboot. Although it is tempting to imagine that the universe which produced the Jim Kirk we know and love would never produce Admiral Janeway.

 

[Delta1]

Number6 said:
Actually, there were two: First Contact and The Voyage Home

Actually, there were three. First Contact, The Voyage Home, and Generations. The Baku in Insurrection also had some kind of time warping power. You may consider these the high points of the franchise, but does it make sense to keep revisiting the same plot device again and again? Why not another movie about whales, or V'Ger? The consequences of the Genesis Device were never fully explored. And I'd love to see another exploding moon force an enemy to reconsider their relationship with the Federation!

 

[Sharr Khan]

Delta1 said:

Number6 said:
Actually, there were two: First Contact and The Voyage Home

Actually, there were three. First Contact, The Voyage Home, and Generations. The Baku in Insurrection also had some kind of time warping power. You may consider these the high points of the franchise, but does it make sense to keep revisiting the same plot device again and again? Why not another movie about whales, or V'Ger? The consequences of the Genesis Device were never fully explored. And I'd love to see another exploding moon force an enemy to reconsider their relationship with the Federation!

You're really stretching if you feel the need to pull that whole Baku thing into this discussion.

In way from what were hearing this is more like "All Good Things..." then "The Voyage Home".

Oh and new production teams, are in no way accountable for those who came before. They free to use any plot devices they feel moves their movie along.

Sharr

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

IMHO, Generations doesn't count as a time travel story. Since time doesn't exist in the Nexus, then by definition it can't count as time *travel*.

And what the hell is it about the Ba'ku that counts as time travel? No way. They live long, but that's it. They don't do anything even remotely like time travel.

 

[Patrickivan]

DeafPoet- I agree with you that it is a plot device. The problem with Star Trek has been that the device has been the focal point of the story. Enterprise's use of time travel should be reason enough for next movie to stay away from it.

As for Matt- your response is very un-trek, and I'm sorry you have to feel such obvious hatred for a topic rooted in fantasy.

Star Trek made me feel good- so did TNG and most of the movies. But it went in a direction that started to bore me. I can watch it and still feel good, including ST:FC, even though I didn't like the time travel idea, but now, after Enterprise, I cringe at the thought of time travel even being mentioned.

Let's go back to TOS, when time travel was something new. We go to pre-TOS Enterprise, and it happens every day. Now the RUMOUR for the movie, pre TOS, may involve time travel. It's not required.

My choices are obviously biased and light hearted, but more importantly, do provide a voice for those who don't agree with me. More importantly, they aren't meant to offend fans, they're meant to encourage debate- and f-off is not a debate.

So if anyone wants to say something completely non-productive, or rude, then plese don't respond. It's not about if you think this poll sucks. If you want, create a poll about my poll.

This is about Star Trek- Remember what that is supposed to be about.

 

[igrokbok]

I not interested in how crappy or how often TNG and the other spin offs did Time Travel.

TOS did it in 3 epsiodes and one movie and they did it well. I'm ready for more! Time Ttavel, TOS style? Are you kidding? Bring it!

 

[Temis the Vorta]

jon1701 said:
You do realise the second option on your poll doesnt make the slightest bit of sense, don't you?

That's why I voted for it.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Yes, but only if there is no time travel involved.

Only Trekkies could be that silly.

 

[Baldus885]

Abrams just called me, he says he's scrapped the story for the new movie and is starting all over again, because he saw some dumbass internet poll.

 

[Elder Knight]

We tried this petition back in 2009. Someobdy travelled back and ruined it.

 

[Patrickivan]

Baldus885 said:
Abrams just called me, he says he's scrapped the story for the new movie and is starting all over again, because he saw some dumbass internet poll.

He did!? That's awesome! I am so glad that we were able to pull it off. I was certain that my little trek bbs poll would go noticed.

Oh no! If only I used my powers to change the world. What a waste of this super powerful medium we have here. I have been wasting my time on fantasy when I should have been using it for something tangible.

Thank you for showing me that this dumbass poll was a total waste of time, Baldass885- because if you think about it, the rest of Trek BBS isn't for our entertainment, it's about changing the minds of powers that be. What a fool I've been!

Do you get it BAldus885? In case you don't, that was sarcasm. This is a forum for fans of something not based in REALITY. This is for our entertainment, not for trying to change anyone's mind.

Once again- if you want to debate my position, go ahead, but otherwise, just bugger off to the "I hate everything but my own idea, so I won't say anything meaningful" place. I can't believe how many spiteful people are on a Star Trek related site. Give your opinion- your side of why you think it is stupid- but don't just give me "f-off", or "dumbass"... It's people like you who really turn me off from all of this.

Though I should point out that I know it's only a few people who are like that, and shouldn't lump the good people in with the bad.

So due to the lack of interest in this, and rude useless comments, I will shorten the poll close date. You've made me not want to read come here and read the responses.

 

[Patrickivan]

Elder Knight said:
We tried this petition back in 2009. Someobdy travelled back and ruined it.

With the exception of comments like this! That was funny!

 

[Gepard]

Temis the Vorta said:

jon1701 said:
You do realize the second option on your poll doesn't make the slightest bit of sense, don't you?

That's why I voted for it.

*follows Temis's lead*
I'm all for a causality-error causing storyline. Should open a few rifts in the fabric of space-time and/or fanboys' brains, whichever is denser.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

Patrickivan said:

Baldus885 said:
Abrams just called me, he says he's scrapped the story for the new movie and is starting all over again, because he saw some dumbass internet poll.

He did!? That's awesome! I am so glad that we were able to pull it off. I was certain that my little trek bbs poll would go noticed.

Oh no! If only I used my powers to change the world. What a waste of this super powerful medium we have here. I have been wasting my time on fantasy when I should have been using it for something tangible.

Thank you for showing me that this dumbass poll was a total waste of time, Baldass885- because if you think about it, the rest of Trek BBS isn't for our entertainment, it's about changing the minds of powers that be. What a fool I've been!

Do you get it BAldus885? In case you don't, that was sarcasm. This is a forum for fans of something not based in REALITY. This is for our entertainment, not for trying to change anyone's mind.

Once again- if you want to debate my position, go ahead, but otherwise, just bugger off to the "I hate everything but my own idea, so I won't say anything meaningful" place. I can't believe how many spiteful people are on a Star Trek related site. Give your opinion- your side of why you think it is stupid- but don't just give me "f-off", or "dumbass"... It's people like you who really turn me off from all of this.

Though I should point out that I know it's only a few people who are like that, and shouldn't lump the good people in with the bad.

So due to the lack of interest in this, and rude useless comments, I will shorten the poll close date. You've made me not want to read come here and read the responses.

Okay, guys...

Both of you guys really need to relax.

Thanks for your cooperation!

 

[evilalienbraga]

Sharr Khan said:
As I said someplace else. It is unfair to bind the hands of new production teams involving Star Trek and Time Traveltm, just cause the previous lot might have over did it. No reason to assume the results will be the same.

Basically this assertion implies, no one ever involved with Trek should make a time travel story ever. Why should we ask newer producers to respect such a restriction? We shouldn't.

Sharr

Because it's such a tired device?

 

[Sharr Khan]

evilalienbraga said:

Sharr Khan said:
As I said someplace else. It is unfair to bind the hands of new production teams involving Star Trek and Time Traveltm, just cause the previous lot might have over did it. No reason to assume the results will be the same.

Basically this assertion implies, no one ever involved with Trek should make a time travel story ever. Why should we ask newer producers to respect such a restriction? We shouldn't.

Sharr

Because it's such a tired device?

And so forever more any Star Trek producer/writer... ect should be banned from using it? That's just dumb, puts a (needless) restriction on those engaged in the creative process.

Its best to let the creative sparks fly and see what we get by whomever is doing the creating - never know might be surprised. You can't though arbitrarily ban it as is the subtext here.

Sharr

 

[Jack Bauer]

evilalienbraga said:

Sharr Khan said:
As I said someplace else. It is unfair to bind the hands of new production teams involving Star Trek and Time Traveltm, just cause the previous lot might have over did it. No reason to assume the results will be the same.

Basically this assertion implies, no one ever involved with Trek should make a time travel story ever. Why should we ask newer producers to respect such a restriction? We shouldn't.

Sharr

Because it's such a tired device?

So's pretty much every sci-fi device.

 

[MarianLH]

Sharr Khan said:
And so forever more any Star Trek producer/writer... ect should be banned from using it?

Doesn't have to be forever. Four movies, or at least one whole season of TV, would be sufficient. Maybe.

I told a friend that Trek XI would contain Trek's #1 most overused cliche, without telling him what it was. "Time travel" was his first guess.

When I told him he was right, he launched into a rendition of Tom Smith's "Let's Do The Time Plot Again".

Jack Bauer said:
So's pretty much every sci-fi device.

I don't know of any other device that's had filk written about how much Trek has overused it.


Marian

 

[Sharr Khan]

Doesn't have to be forever. Four movies, or at least one whole season of TV, would be sufficient. Maybe.

No. Any restriction asked of *NEW producers* because the silly "fans" think the previous lot over used something (which is debatable) is tyrannical at the extreme and short sighted not to mention obnoxious of said "fans".

I'd have a tad more sympathy if perhaps we were talking about Braga here but well were not so the argument "no more time travel" falls flat.

Sharr

 

[Patrickivan]

It seems that everyone is excited about a movie revolving around our classic Star Trek universe. So why is it that contemporary (to that period) characters can't be exclusively used during that period? Why the need to introduce some future influence? We want a classic Star Trek story, but for some reason, and again let's state that it's a RUMOUR, people want future characters... It's been done. I mean, the very last Star Trek episode on television, involved a future characters (Riker and Troi) mixing with the characters of that time line.

I am not saying that people shouldn't be able to express their views or interest in a time travel related story. I'm saying that it's been over done. I would love to see Nimoy again too, but he's not needed for this movie. The torch has been passed in STTUC in Kirk's last log, in Generations with Kirk meeting Picard (Time Travelling) and fans meeting the E-B. In TNG when Scotty meets Geordi, and Spock meets Picard. I know that I am going a little off topic by talking about "passing the torch", but it is related in a way.

I find it hard to believe that we can't have a story set during the pre TOS time period without involving the future...

Technically, anyone arguing that a new time travel story will stand on it's own merits, and it doesn't matter how many times it's been done, should answer this question. If it turns out to be a hit, could the following movie involve time travel?