Peter Weller joins Star Trek Sequel cast

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It's a difference that doesn't matter. This Trek replaces oldTrek from here on out - until yet another version replaces this one.

Wonder if JJTrek will go on as long as Raimi's Spider-Man, or longer?

 

[Hythlodeus]

It's a difference that doesn't matter. This Trek replaces oldTrek from here on out - until yet another version replaces this one.

Wonder if JJTrek will go on as long as Raimi's Spider-Man, or longer?

As long as they don't include Venom...

 

[Gojira]

It's a difference that doesn't matter. This Trek replaces oldTrek from here on out - until yet another version replaces this one.

Wonder if JJTrek will go on as long as Raimi's Spider-Man, or longer?

The cast signed a three movie deal so there should be one more movie after Trek XII. What will happen after that remains to be scene.

 

[ChristopherPike]

^ Why would Spock Prime know? He could have emerged into an alternate universe and not realized it. I mean, he'd know he went back in time, of course, but not anything beyond that. You can't exactly scan for universes.

What you mean like they did during TNG "Parallels"? All that gobbledeegook which enables them to tell Worf is from another universe. Quantum signatures or whatever. Spock's Jellyfish (Jesus, did they really call the Phantom Menace wannbe ship that?) is a science vessel. I'm sure he's being bombarded with readouts, based on TNG-era discoveries.

 

[ChristopherPike]

Re: Peter Weller joins Star Strek Sequel cast

Really the only fact we know for sure, from the mind of Bob Orci, is that the Admiral Archer referenced was the same person from Star Trek: Enterprise. Of course, it seems more likely that the Narada opened up a passageway to a different universe.

If facts "from the mind of Bob Orci" are so important, we have statements from the mind of Bob Orci that say otherwise. There is no basis to assert that a contradictory outcome is "more likely".

Nero would have to be isolated from the Prime Universe first, for the changes not to affect anything.

I don't even know what this means.

I'm sure you're a bright lad. You watch Star Trek, so you must be. Don't do yourself down!

It's the act of exiting the lightning storm isn't it? The Narada arrived into another universe at that point. That's isolated him from the Prime Universe, ensuring what follows has no impact on the place he left. The universe doesn't diverge with the attack on the Kelvin. How would that work? That would be altering history in traditional time-travel style. When you travel back within the same universe, the changes made stick (or are pre-destined) and Nero's actions are so radical, they'd alter much of the 23rd Century. We've been assured that hasn't happened. It has to have been another universe from the instant he arrived really. Which to my mind, would suggest it's a place that runs alongside the Prime, like the Mirror universe for instance... and always has done, with its own past. Parallel ones as we know, aren't necessarily identical... see TNG "Parallels" for how subtle or wildly different.

 

[Kemaiku]

It's a difference that doesn't matter. This Trek replaces oldTrek from here on out - until yet another version replaces this one.

Wonder if JJTrek will go on as long as Raimi's Spider-Man, or longer?

The cast signed a three movie deal so there should be one more movie after Trek XII. What will happen after that remains to be scene.

The third film would more than likely turn up around the fall of 2016, even a short television adaptation based off of it could run 3-5 seasons, say 2015-2018?

So really, taking time for the hype for Abrams Trek to die down, I don't see another reboot or major screen intepretation until the early 2020's.

But now that Abrams has opened up the Trek franchise to other interpretations, other smaller material could well pop up, books, games, etc with new spins on the main themes of the old series and films.

Maybe we won't see others pick up on it and take interest right away, but the next few years could be very interesting for Trek in general.

 

[F. King Daniel]

^ Why would Spock Prime know? He could have emerged into an alternate universe and not realized it. I mean, he'd know he went back in time, of course, but not anything beyond that. You can't exactly scan for universes.

You mean scanning quatum signatures, like they did in "Parallels"?

If it were a possibility, Spock would have mentioned it. But he, and everyone else, spoke only of time travel.

 

[Ranger3]

^ I don't know how they would be able to tell. From either perspective (Nero's or the Enterprise crew) there doesn't seem to be a way for them to know absolutely if Nero had originated in a different universe.

Alot of those questions are answered in the IDW prequel comic Star Trek - Countdown as well as the one about Nero(after he appeared in the early 23rd Century), while he was imprisoned on Rura Penthe.

The was even a deleted scene from the film, depicting Nero's time on the Klingon Penal Asteroid.

 

[Set Harth]

Re: Peter Weller joins Star Strek Sequel cast

The Narada arrived into another universe at that point. That's isolated him from the Prime Universe, ensuring what follows has no impact on the place he left.

So far, so good...

It has to have been another universe from the instant he arrived really.

I don't disagree with any of this yet...

Which to my mind, would suggest it's a place that runs alongside the Prime, like the Mirror universe for instance... and always has done, with its own past.

...but this is where we diverge. It has been said that Nero's time travel created the new timeline/universe. Thus the past of the Abramsverse is the same as the past of the Prime before Nero's arrival. If this new timeline is to be looked at as a previously existing parallel universe, it would be a parallel universe which just so happened to be identical to the Prime before the coming of Nero. But a parallel universe identical to the Prime could just as easily have been the Prime.

We think of it as identical to the original until Nero arrives.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I get the feeling, without thinking of anyone in particular, that some people might favor the idea of explaining the physical discrepancies between the nuKelvin and Pike Prime's Enterprise with the idea that the JJverse is just another parallel universe.

Speaking just for myself, I don't really need to do that, or anything remotely like it, to enjoy the film (and like it and own a copy, etc.).

 

[Ranger3]

Here's the official explanation for the entire altered timeline angle in the Star Trek prequel reboot. This was in an issue of the Official Star Trek Magazine that I dug up.

When the Narada immediately arrived back in 2233 AD(after the events depicted in the IDW Comics prequel Countdown), it altered history righ then and there, so that Jim Kirk was born on the U.S.S. Kelvin, rather than Iowa. In the new timeline, Amanda Grayson dies during the attack on Vulcan(which of course did not happen in the original timeline), and the friendship between Kirk and Spock starts off slightly different.

So technically, there is no other parallel universe that Nero emerged from. He came from the original timeline in the future, and immediately altered it when he instantly arrived in the past.

 

[Set Harth]

The time travel which occurs in STXI is not single-timeline. The Prime timeline still exists and is unchanged by Nero's time travel ( other than in the obvious sense that Spock and the crew of the Narada are no longer a part of it ).

the Next Generation is still alive and well in another universe

our story is not based on the linear timeline of Einstein’s General Theory of relativity upon which most movies about time travel are based (like say, BACK TO THE FUTURE, or TERMINATOR, both of which I LOVE). The idea of a fixable timeline has been a wonderful staple of sci-fi since the 50’s, but in reading about the most current thinking in theoretical physics regarding time travel (Quantum Mechanics), we learned about the speculative theories that suggest that if time travel is possible, then the act of time travel itself creates a new universe that exists in PARALLEL to the one left by the time traveler. This is the preferred theory these days because it resolves the GRANDFATHER PARADOX, which wonders how a time traveler who kills his own younger grandfather would logically then cease to exist, but then he’d never be around to time travel and kill his grandfather in the first place. Quantum Mechanically based theories resolve this paradox by arguing that the time traveler, in killing his grandfather, would merely split a previously identical universe into a new one in which a man who is his grandfather in another universe is killed in the new one. The time traveler does not cease to exist, although he is no longer in his own original universe (where he is now missing).

 

[ChristopherPike]

Thanks, Set Harth. Very interesting. IF as seems to be the assumption lately - Khan is in the next film - I have to wonder if Bob Orci will suddenly start backtracking on all that. A universe that is indentical to the Prime one, before the Kelvin came into contact with the Narada, still includes a Khan who left Earth in 1996. So basically everything the same as described in TOS and still adhered to in later spin-offs (which avoided dating the Eugenics Wars by the time ENT rolled around). That restricts the writers as much as a fixed future doesn't it? The minute Khan awakes and a new audience discovers what his beef is, they've got a problem...

 

[F. King Daniel]

Greg Cox's Eugenics Wars novel trilogy depicts the Eugenics Wars as somewhat of a secret conflict, which only became common knowlege on post-WWIII Earth. Since Bob Orci's a fan of those novels, I imagine they'd explain away Khan's non-existence in "our" 1996 in the same way.

 

[Set Harth]

Thanks, Set Harth. Very interesting. IF as seems to be the assumption lately - Khan is in the next film - I have to wonder if Bob Orci will suddenly start backtracking on all that. A universe that is indentical to the Prime one, before the Kelvin came into contact with the Narada, still includes a Khan who left Earth in 1996.

If they were to change the backstory of Khan and the Eugenics Wars in order to have it fit better with actual history, I wouldn't see that as backtracking on the basic premise of what happened with Nero, but rather as a localized retcon of some of the original material to account for the fact that the real 1990s didn't conform to the overly "enthusiastic" imaginations of the 1960s writers.

 

[Broccoli]

Re: Peter Weller joins Star Strek Sequel cast

Which to my mind, would suggest it's a place that runs alongside the Prime, like the Mirror universe for instance... and always has done, with its own past.

...but this is where we diverge. It has been said that Nero's time travel created the new timeline/universe. Thus the past of the Abramsverse is the same as the past of the Prime before Nero's arrival. If this new timeline is to be looked at as a previously existing parallel universe, it would be a parallel universe which just so happened to be identical to the Prime before the coming of Nero. But a parallel universe identical to the Prime could just as easily have been the Prime.

We think of it as identical to the original until Nero arrives.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I never get tired of that picture.

 

[Amaris]

This is great news. I love Peter Weller. I finished the episode "Terra Prime" the other day, and I thought he was just delightfully villainous. Now, I don't know if he's a bad guy in STXII, but as a good guy, he's a badass, and as a bad guy, he's a badass. I can only see good things coming from him being onboard the movie.

 

[Disruptor]

Peter Weller as Robo-Cap(tain)!

A Borg...that would be amusing...but oh, no...Borg again!

 

[Yevetha]

This is great news. I love Peter Weller. I finished the episode "Terra Prime" the other day, and I thought he was just delightfully villainous. Now, I don't know if he's a bad guy in STXII, but as a good guy, he's a badass, and as a bad guy, he's a badass. I can only see good things coming from him being onboard the movie.

He probably starts out as a good guy if he is an ensign.