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Peter David's Q-SQUARED reviews/discussion thread....

:: kicks Emh ::

Stop messing with people! Just because you've got a Tardis, doesn't mean everyone else can get these Timey-Wimey stuff.

:p
 
Q-SQUARED is my favorite Trek novel (right up there with DS9's "Millennium" trilogy). If they were to adapt a Trek novel into a movie, I think this is the one I would have wanted them to do, because it is pure TNG, while set in a big epic style, with various elements from the series and ties into TOS.
 
I just got finished reading this, and it was excellent! "The Squire of Gothos" is my favorite episode of TOS, so I checked it out from the library and was not disappointed. Trelane was handled perfectly. The idea that all the temporal problems The Enterprise has encountered over the years were his fault is a pretty nifty one.
 
I haven't read it in years, but remember enjoying it a great deal. It rates up there with Imzadi as my favorite PAD Trek novel. I do, however, agree with Christopher in that I never bought into the idea that Trelayne and Q were related in any way. This is a failing I see in some Trek authors and PAD in particular, that they seem to want to tie everything in the Trek universe together: Trelayne is a Q, The Doomsday Machine was built by the Preservers to combat The Borg, The Borg and V'Ger are somehow related, Gary Mictell gained powers from Q, et al. It makes the Trek universe far too simplified for my tastes. Having said that, Q-Squared is a great book and I do recommend it despite the above objection.
 
Rosalind said: Just because you've got a Tardis, doesn't mean everyone else can get these Timey-Wimey stuff.

:p
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And wibbly wobbly. Don't forget wibbly wobbly.

(That's good advice in general.)
 
Emh said:
Christopher said:
It's impossible for q to become Trelane. The young q has extensive knowledge of humanity's future up until the 2370s, if not beyond. Trelane was totally unaware of any human history more recent than the Napoleonic Era.
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Could have been just an act. A stretch, yes, but it's possible.

Christopher said:
So you're presenting a postulate that would require:
a) A character travelling back in time.
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Well, that's not difficult considering the Q have shown many times they are capable of this. Unless you mean the character regresses, but that's not time travel.

Christopher said:
b) The same character somehow losing all memory of centuries of history.
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That is certainly possible.

Christopher said:
c) The same character somehow losing virtually all his innate powers.
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There are ways around that. For instance, Trelane gave the appearance of being limited to a machine to further his play acting with Kirk, Spock, and company. It's a stretch, yes, but it's still plausible.

Christopher said:
d) The character's parents appearing and behaving in a way totally unlike how we've seen them behave onscreen.
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Okay, I can grant you, but it's still possible the whole thing was for show, which is certainly within the nature of Q and Q.

Christopher said:
I'm sorry, but that's got way too many ad hoc assumptions to take seriously. You're starting with an unsupported and unlikely thesis and making up a ton of absurd postulates in order to justify it. The more you try to rationalize it, the less rational it becomes.
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Whoever said I was being rational? And whoever said time traveling and beings beyond human comprehension is rational (by human standards, no less)? Sometimes irrational is the best explanation.

Christopher said:
You might as well try to argue that B'Elanna Torres somehow goes back in time, changes sex and species, loses her memory, and becomes Trip Tucker.
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That's not even remotely analogous to what I am trying to state.
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The point Christopher was making was not just the individual plausibility of each of these items--some of which you admit are a stretch--but that taken in total the aggregate plausibility becomes infinitesimal. To go back through and point out that each separate element isn't completely impossible does nothing to change that all together it's just too much to swallow.

And then to use that very unswallowability--which, if it's not a word, it deserves to be--as circular support for itself by tossing out that "sometimes irrational is the best explanation" . . . that kind of reasoning can be used to support any claim regarding anything. Flying invisible elephants from Pluto are responsible for my missing sock? Well, this and that and such and sometimes irrational is the best explanation. So there, flying invisible elephants from Pluto are real. And one of them has a nice warm trunk with my sock on it.

Back to Trek, yes, we're discussing fiction, so why not have Kirk suddenly wearing a monocle and a wet suit while watching Spock perform nude in the Icecapades? It's not impossible . . . Well, even fiction has to follow certain paths similar to the real world or it would be meaningless, random jibber jabber.

Rant over. ;)
 
*shrug*

I stopped caring about that argument months ago. :p

Stupid bumped threads. :scream:

One note: I want to reiterate what I said before. So what if it doesn't make sense to us? We're human. The Q aren't. That's why I like my theory so much. Because it's so out there.
 
Emh said:
*shrug*

I stopped caring about that argument months ago. :p

Stupid bumped threads. :scream:

One note: I want to reiterate what I said before. So what if it doesn't make sense to us? We're human. The Q aren't. That's why I like my theory so much. Because it's so out there.
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So it's because it sounds so wrong that it feels so right? ;)

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. :D
 
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