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Poll Personal Opinion on the Skant Uniforms?

The Skant, Yay or Nay?

  • Yay

    Votes: 28 44.4%
  • Nay

    Votes: 35 55.6%

  • Total voters
    63
The skant is the result of way overthinking Star Trek to an abstract of "better future". It's the kind of creative idea that comes when you've spent too much time at once trying to come up with ideas, hit burnout, and should take a break for a while.
 
I think it was ridiculous and was never going to work on TV...but I actually applaud the idea of doing something so alien that afronts people's societal norms.

Fashion changes radically by decade. It is influenced by all kinds of things. It looks ridiculous to us now [just as 70's fashion does] but in a future 300 years from now, where aliens and THEIR fashions will be influencing ours...who is to say what will be common and 'normal' in the 24th century. So yeah, it was cheesy and stupid for TV but not so ridiculous in the setting that they were trying to portray.
 
I never had an issue with it. I thought it looked a little foolish, but I always figured "who knows what will be in style 300 years from now" and never really gave it much further thought.
 
I do think it would've been better to keep Troi wearing that, rather than the rotating outfits she work for most of the show's run.

For one thing the skant uniform actually looks like a UNIFORM. It includes rank insignia and department color. It looked more professional than hideous denim number she wore for the rest of the season, or the cleavage-heavy "bunny" outfits she wore after that.
 
Opinion, feel free to disagree:

For human females, it would be a longstanding custom, and so generally acceptable in more public-facing stations, but not for grunt work. For human males, it may be more an expression of personal sexuality - orientation - so inappropriate for the role of an officer in most stations. Gender is not really coded into duty; but if you want to talk about biological sexual homogeneity, talk to me when men start having babies. Until then it would seem apparent that each sex has its own characteristics, and these may affect other social areas such as who you'd want teaching kindergarten or babysitting your kids, or fighting in the foxhole beside you - someone prone to "pitching" or "catching", to be indelicate.

The fact that this poll asserts it must be the same for both sexes across the board is also a kind of value imposition; so some of us didn't have a vote. Men and women should be equal under the law, (and tolerant and enjoy equal opportunities, and respect others' personal sexual boundaries by erring publicly on the side of reservation, not unwanted impostion); yes, but that doesn't mean they must be androgynous. Look at the characters themselves - you see even in Star Trek's utopian pastiche of the future, that masculinity and femininity thrive among even the main cast. They are not at all interested in making personal value judgments about what goes on in people's privacy (unless it's Barclay or Geordi). So yes, while they have loosened the parochial attitudes toward secular hedonism in that fictional future, they don't want to go around hanging their junk out like the Edo. There is work to be done, and Starfleet comes first.

Now, if men wanted to wear a kilt, I would think that's fine, because it's a custom, not a fashion, and not sexual (except maybe for a bar crowd). Also, exceptions allowable for alien customs - within reason, and as long as it doesn't violate Starfleet custom or ethics, which are indeed based on the human jurisprudence they came from. Fair? Nope. But if one individual or planetary society doesn't like it, one is certainly free to walk away, too. (This is not the case with some societies even in this age of modern travel and global information access).

10 bathroom assignments is impractical. But we could all just have ONE fair bathroom. Is that better? I don't think so.... Notice how Star Trek can sometimes gloss over those issues that beleaguer actual society and economic inequality, in order to pick its fictional battles. We can't ascribe too much prognostication to it.

Again, just one opinion, welcome to disagree.
 
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In 1987, it looked incredibly silly on a guy. On a woman it made no difference, because we were all used to seeing that in TOS and it was no shocker. I remember being more shocked that Starfleet decided to return to the divisional colors 100 years after it went out of style.
It looked downright stupid on the guys. It also looked stupid on Troi, since she looked like she just stepped out of an Archie comic.

I may be misremembering, but didn't Yar wear one at some point? If so, what a colossally moronic thing for a security chief to wear. It reminds me of an old episode of Adam-12, in which a female cop had to kneel down on the street, pointing her gun at a crook... wearing a skirt and pantyhose and heeled shoes.

The guys who wore skants in TNG had great legs, so I vote an enthusiastic 'Yay'.
They should have put Picard in one. Patrick Stewart looked pretty good in I, Claudius in his short tunic and bare legs!
 
It looked downright stupid on the guys. It also looked stupid on Troi, since she looked like she just stepped out of an Archie comic.

I may be misremembering, but didn't Yar wear one at some point? If so, what a colossally moronic thing for a security chief to wear. It reminds me of an old episode of Adam-12, in which a female cop had to kneel down on the street, pointing her gun at a crook... wearing a skirt and pantyhose and heeled shoes.


They should have put Picard in one. Patrick Stewart looked pretty good in I, Claudius in his short tunic and bare legs!

Tasha did wear it very briefly. It's easy to miss because it was just in the very last bridge shot and she was hidden behind tactical station.

Archie comic? What an odd reference. I don't think it was that much of a departure from TOS uniforms (especially since both were designed by the same guy). As I mentioned, it may have been impractical, but no more so than any of the other stuff Troi wore for most of the run.
 
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My opinion on this particular unform ...
The uniform itself was reminiscent of the TOS miniskirt uniform because the first season was bending over backwards to say "this really is the Star Trek you remember" due to opinion among a large segment of fans and even the TOS cast was, I'll say, cautiously pessimistic at best. Social attitudes toward such dress were already drastically different in the 80's than they were in the 60's, and being able to point out "hey, men wear this too. Look at the guy who just ran around the corner in the background." was a way to head off criticism and look progressive all at the same time.

That's probably also why it died after season two. That was when TNG really forged its own identity within the franchise, and stopped trying to be TOS: The Next Generation, with scripts that you could easily see being delivered by the original crew.

Of course they practically invited that criticism all over again by sticking any woman in a catsuit that they thought could either have, or be, a potential love interest.

In the end, it was just misguided more than anything else, and humorous, looking back on it.
 
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Tasha did wear it very briefly. It's easy to miss because it was just in the very last bridge shot and she was hidden behind tactical station.

Archie comic? What an odd reference. I don't think it was that much of a departure from TOS uniforms (especially since both were designed by the same guy). As I mentioned, it may have been impractical, but no more so than any of the other stuff Troi wore for most of the run.
Most of the time she wore pants, or at least leggings under a dress. As someone who grew in a time where it was considered "natural" for girls and women to wear dresses, I can definitely say that pants are more practical.

The only exception I've ever made was when I was active in the Society for Creative Anachronism. I got used to long dresses, but the last time I voluntarily wore a shorter dress (it was still slightly below knee-length) was over 20 years ago, and the time before that was another 10 years in the past.
 
Tunics don't look like skants. And if you're going to cite ancient and classical clothing, keep in mind that some cultures (Egypt included) had men (depending on their status and employment) either naked or wearing nothing more than a loincloth.
 
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Tunics don't look like skants. And if you're going to cite ancient and classical clothing, keep in mind that some cultures (Egypt included) had men (depending on their status and employment) either naked or wearing nothing more than a loincloth,
Well, one of Roddenberry's original ideas for TMP was that casual nudity would be commonplace, as humanity would have moved beyond our primitive notions of modesty in future centuries. :shrug:

Kor
 
That's probably also why it died after season two. That was when TNG really forged its own identity within the franchise, and stopped trying to be TOS: The Next Generation, with scripts that you could easily see being delivered by the original crew.

After season two, Bill Theiss was replaced by Bob Blackman, who designed the two-piece uniform.

Most of the time she wore pants, or at least leggings under a dress. As someone who grew in a time where it was considered "natural" for girls and women to wear dresses, I can definitely say that pants are more practical.

I think we can safely say the "is it practical?" ship sailed when it came to Trek clothing a long time ago.
 
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