Interesting take on things. What is your rationale for the separation of your Prime Time Line and Time Line Two?
Personal continuity..... Anyone?
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Interesting take on things. What is your rationale for the separation of your Prime Time Line and Time Line Two?
Personal preference, mainly, as well as my general quibbles with the "official" timeline that came out of the Paramount offices in regards to dating specific events.
Ahh I can certainly understand that POV!
number6
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No. It is a little thing called reality. It aired. The whole concept of "personal continuity" is just plain stupid.
Some people simply use that as an excuse to insult people who like the "other" stuff, what ever that may be.
It's all Star Trek. It is produced by the people who own Star Trek. Take it or leave it.
But to say that some of it did or didn't "exsist" simply because of personal taste is just childish.
It's not a derision on my part to say so. It is an opinion. Take it or leave it, but the opinion is just as valid. It's nice to know a few of you fine folk agree.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the concept of personal-continuity/canon. And it's not saying that something doesn't exist, it's merely say that in one's personal preference of the fictional history of a fictional TV show, they'd rather not include that particular episode or factiod.
Yeah, it's all opinion, but so what? If a person is having fun with it, then what's the harm. It's not like the studio is going to kick in our doors and put a boot to our throats and say "This is canon, bitch!".
Come on, it's a TV show, not holy writ.
Yeah, it's all opinion, but so what? If a person is having fun with it, then what's the harm. It's not like the studio is going to kick in our doors and put a boot to our throats and say "This is canon, bitch!".
Come on, it's a TV show, not holy writ.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
I accept all of Trek except for the whole Great Barrier balony.
When last I checked, none of this was "reality."
And yet, you're the person employing the word "stupid." Things that make you go, "Hmm."
Fortunately, I'm not required to select only from the options presented in your false dilemma. It's entertainment: I'll take, thus, what entertains me, and leave the rest, despite your attempt to make it an all or nothing proposition.
You've now added "childish" to "stupid." I imagine I'm fortunate not to have genuinely angered you, considering the language you use in purportedly polite conversation.
According to anyone of discernment, it most certainly is—whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion, granted. The idea that all opinions are of equal value is a specious one.
I'll try to avoid you and your fellow "fine folk" in the future:
"Having used our gavels—mostly on the heads of those who disagree with us—The 'Our Way or the Highway Society' will now come to order."
I don't mean to sound snarky, but you say this...
...and then you say this...
I'm not much for words or fancy book learning types, but I'd say calling something stupid counts as derision.
And if the concept of "personal continuity" isn't getting to anyone, then what's the problem?
...and then you say this...
I'm not much for words or fancy book learning types, but I'd say calling something stupid counts as derision.
And if the concept of "personal continuity" isn't getting to anyone, then what's the problem?
number6
Vice Admiral
The problem is in implying that my opinion only counts as derision.
We're not going to agree here. Why don't we just leave it as that.
number6
Vice Admiral
The concept of what aired on television and what didn't is certainly one based in reality. I don't know what other reality we should be talking about.
I guess only certain people are allowed to have opinions?? Hmmmm.
There is nothing "false" about it. Either it aired or it didn't. Pretending something doesn't exsist is certainly the sign of someone living in denial.
You continue to contest this, so obviously you are the one offended. That is a choice you're making.
By your own logic, are you implying that I lack "discernment?"
Did you just read that word in a book?
This is evidently your belief.
I'll try to avoid you and your fellow "fine folk" in the future.
And that's a bad thing because.....?
And with your gavel, the Society has adjourned.
I implied nothing to denote any "only"s. But you backtracked yourself in your very own post. A bit of an inconsistency, no?
I mean, you're entitled to your own opinion, but then you called someone else's opinion stupid, and THEN said you don't deride. It's a case of eating your cake and having it, too.
number6
Vice Admiral
And that cake is delicious!! Especially when you keep serving it to me.
Hey, you baked it.
And I suppose that's that.
Like personal "canon", there's no such thing as personal continuity. Its silly.
Sure there can be episodes you might want to not ever watch again, every tv show has'm but it doesn't mean they're not part of the shows body of work or its universe. By saying I have my own personal continuity you actually disparage the fictional world as a whole.
For example there are sucky parts of Babylon 5... many episodes of Season 5 is the common opinion, but simply dismissing Byron out of hand and pretending he's not there would be silly on the part of B5 fans and I'm sure would rightly cause an exhaustive rant by JMS if he caught wind of fans trying to amend his universe to make some of the less then stellar stuff go by the wayside or tidbits that don't fit a fans particular notion of what the show should be about. Which is actually the only reason fans ever assert this silly idea since something in the show doesn't "go their way" or clashes with assumptions they've made about the show should work.
It proves nothing of the sort... well maybe that Trek fans are tad on the obsessive side... it certainly tells us nothing substantive about taste and makes it clear some "fans" always think they know better then the guys producing the stuff. Which more then likely they only know better in their own minds.
Sharr
Sure there can be episodes you might want to not ever watch again, every tv show has'm but it doesn't mean they're not part of the shows body of work or its universe. By saying I have my own personal continuity you actually disparage the fictional world as a whole.
For example there are sucky parts of Babylon 5... many episodes of Season 5 is the common opinion, but simply dismissing Byron out of hand and pretending he's not there would be silly on the part of B5 fans and I'm sure would rightly cause an exhaustive rant by JMS if he caught wind of fans trying to amend his universe to make some of the less then stellar stuff go by the wayside or tidbits that don't fit a fans particular notion of what the show should be about. Which is actually the only reason fans ever assert this silly idea since something in the show doesn't "go their way" or clashes with assumptions they've made about the show should work.
It proves nothing of the sort... well maybe that Trek fans are tad on the obsessive side... it certainly tells us nothing substantive about taste and makes it clear some "fans" always think they know better then the guys producing the stuff. Which more then likely they only know better in their own minds.
Sharr
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number6
Vice Admiral
Thank you!
That was very elegantly stated.
The B5 analogy hits home for me. I never liked that show. I do aknowlege that there were some good bits. But suppose I just pretended that the whole show doesn't exist, just because I prefer the Crusade series and posted about it all the time on a B5 fan board instead of just talking about it on the Crusade fan boards because i knew how much it would piss off the B5 fans if I just went on about it there, that would be just plain silly and childish. Don't you think?? (By the way, just as a matter of record, I never watched Crusade. I hated both.)
I won't bother going into a B5 fan forum and talk about my hatred and disgust of the writing, but I will remember the night a friend insisted I watch the show and got to see that beatiful Keonig/Bester soliloquy in that morgue scene.
I may think that JMS has been taking cheap shots at Star Trek fans since he showed his pilot at the conventions and his characters are so one dimensional, yet I've been known to quote "No boom today...boom tomorrow" at least once in my lifetime.
The body of work is all encompassing. Even the worst drivel will help shape the bigger story. Look at the nuBSG. Even some of you here have talked about how the quality has gone down a bit, but you will watch and see it get better and get to that grand finale everyone's excited about. (I choose not to watch the show.)
Are we going to pretend it never existed??
Oh yeah.. Galactica 1980..
Bad example.
But please consider my B5/Crusade analogy.
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number6
Vice Admiral
And that cake is delicious!! Especially when you keep serving it to me.
Hey, you baked it.
And I suppose that's that.
Not unless you're just trying to get in The Last Word.
number6
Vice Admiral
100%
But I won't underestimate the power of the imagination of Trek fans. Some of that imagination has allowed those fans to shape all the Star Trek that followed.
Those who petitioned to save the show.
Those who wrote their own stories to keep their appetites whet until that new rumour about the next show or movie.
Some of those novelists went on to write for the show. I always thought that was one of the Modern Trek's noblest aspects as a franchise.
And I do hate that Star Trek is a "franchise."
For all those who have a prob with the Personal Continuity concept...
Why bother yourselves with the concept, or threads that discuss it? Why come just to dictate your own sanctimonious speech about how its wrong?
I made this thread with direct intent on asking their own Personal Continuity. I would not like you to ruin the potential fun of such thread.
Why bother yourselves with the concept, or threads that discuss it? Why come just to dictate your own sanctimonious speech about how its wrong?
I made this thread with direct intent on asking their own Personal Continuity. I would not like you to ruin the potential fun of such thread.
See, the thing about personal continuity is just that: it's personal. The only time personal continuity should come into conflict with established canon is if it goes beyond personal.
If I don't like Spock's Brain but I try to push others into believing that it doesn't exist, then that's wrong.
On the other hand, if you tell me to accept Spock's Brain without question, then that's another assertion right there.
If we get into a debate that requires on-screen facts and materials, then yeah, personal continuity doesn't matter. But then again, in such a debate, there's nothing 'personal' about it anymore if someone asserts a deviation from what's established. The 'personal' is rendered moot.
What I'm saying is, it's not wrong to have a personal continuity as long as you keep it to yourself, or at least share it for the sake of promoting discussion and not asserting one viewpoint over another as superior.
Frankly, you use B5 as an example, but I can bring up a counter-example: Doctor Who would've been devastated decades ago had it not been for the 'personal continuity' decree. In the 80s, the show even tried to repair its continuity to near-disastrous results. Since then, the writers and producers have said you can take what you want for canon and non-canon, as long as you enjoy the show and respect other fans' perspectives. Continuity is loose, sure, but the important stuff is *always* acknowledged as canon. As long as it adds to the overall narrative of the 40 year old show, it counts. That includes the novels, comics, etc. etc. If it wasn't for that concept, the current show and its spinoffs would be incoherent messes.
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