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Pegg's Scotty: Just Say No!

^ But it was, saul. Classic Scotty had many moments. Hell, classic Scotty got drunk on screen.


J.
Scotty was funny on many occasions. But it was natural. It wasn't played up all the time. It was the character getting into a funny situation but at the same time still holding something more as a character than slap stick line for line comedy.
 
Simon Pegg sucked in this role. I enjoyed his performance in movies like "HOT FUZZ" a hell of a lot more, because he didn't succumb to cheap comedy and hammy acting.
 
Uh, how do engineers generally act? Like Puerto Ricans?

Were you upset that Uhura didn't smack her gum and file her nails on the bridge? She is an operator, you know, and that's how they, generally, act.

Silly argument.

Joe, rebutter

LOL did you say that in honor of the Puerto Rican day parade yesterday?

Engineers act all sorts of ways just like any other profession. What I think RBNN was getting at was that he/she has a predisposed notion that engineers are "professional" people. I think we can all agree ...wheather we liked Pegg;s portrayal of Scott or not...but he was hardly professional...not in this installment...but maybe next time.

That's not entirely fair. At no point did we see him being unprofessional while he was working. Sure he's funny, but while he's working he concertrates hard and gets the job done very well.

He's still cleaning reactant out of his ears with a towel, but he's paying enough attention to follow Chekov's plan for getting to Titan.

He did save the Enterprise from falling into the black hole.

Well I didn't think he was that funny anyway.... Yeah I let out a few snorts but I was not har har-ing up a storm over here with Scotty's lines.

Fine...he concentrated hard and got the job done...ok I'm agreeing with that...and if I didn't know the orig. Scotty then I'd have no problem with Pegg...but I do know him and this Pegg guy ....it's like apples and oranges...doesn't even resemble Scotty in the slightest.....which brings me to a lack of professionalism I felt was displayed on his part. That may not be the popular opinion, it may not be "right" either...but this is how I saw it and I didn't like what he "did" to the role...I understand making it your own...but this was quite a stretch here. I've said this quite a few times but I like to repeat myself...this Scotty was a coked up and caffienated verision of his former self...and I didn't like it. It was actually a tad annoying (just a tad) I will say I loved the "giving it everything she's got" line....he did that quite well because that line conveys a sense of urgency and animation.

Well I would say it was a big deal to save Earth & the Enterprise from black holes...but Kirk did that too...so really it's becoming very routine this saving earth from black holes stuff...I think I could even do it now. :p
 
^ But it was, saul. Classic Scotty had many moments. Hell, classic Scotty got drunk on screen.


J.

Scotty was not on TOS for comedic relief and the script and his perfomance reflect that. Classic Scotty had some funny moments...but on the whole he was given a comedic tone. Are we watching the same TOS? Scotty got drunk what...twice in TOS?

You watch TOS and note down how many times Scotty is genuinely funny -- and it ain't much. Frikkin Spock (inadvertantly) makes more jokes and has more comedic aspects to his character than him!
 
All this Scotty talk reminded me how much I like the few times he was in charge on the bridge back in TOS.

Anyway, I like Pegg and his version of Mr Scott. Hopefully we'll see more of him working in the sequel.
 
What you have to ask yourself is - would the next movie be lacking something if Keenser wasn't in it? I'd have to say no, it wouldn't. I didn't hate his appearance in the film, but he's not an essential cast member by any means.

But Scotty needs a bigger role next time. And yes, he needs to have some (I'd say mainly) non-comic relief moments. Pegg's a good actor. He can do it.

This is it...he added nothing...if that much...I understand Rob's point about throwing the kiddies a bone with his inclusion but if that is the case then I think...no I know it could of been done a lot better -- cuter and more endearing. I really don't "hate" this character because he had little screen time...but I'm sure I would feel differently if he had a bigger role....which he shouldn't..thank you. As a matter of fact if this teenser dissappeared altogether in the next round...I doubt the non hardcore Trek fan would even notice....including the kids.

You should already know these four:

"Spock"
"Sarek"
"Nero"
"Geila"

A quick rundown from memory (so it may be a bit off):

"Raghoratreii" - Efrosian; President of the United Federation of Planets
"Kor" - Klingon; Commander (Original Series)
"Kang" - Klingon; Diplomat, Commander (Original Series)
"Koloth" - Klingon; Commander (Original Series)
"Dax" - Trill; Lt. Commander Science Ops (Deep Space Nine); Crewman aboard the Enterprise (Star Trek VI)
"Worf" - Klingon; Lt. J.g then Lt. Commander aboard the Starship Enterprise D (TNG); Lt. Commander Deep Space Nine
"Odo" - Changeling; Security Officer (DS9)
"Kes" - Ocampan; A short lived species, was also a nurse on Voyager (VOY)
"Neelix" - Talaxian; served as morale officer and cook. (VOY)
"B'elanna" - Klingon; Chief Engineer of Voyager (VOY)
"Tomalak" - Romulan; Commander in the Romulan Guard



Oh, and I loved the Spock/Uhura pairing. :D

J.

I recognize all the names from TOS of course and nuTrek...oh yeah and Worf too but aside from that I don't know who these people are. I have heard of Odo and Neelix though....they must of been popular characters.

Yeah you and everybody and their mamma like this Spock/Uhura thang...there's only a few lone dissenters on the other side...or at least no one that I've seen as vocal as me about it....I suppose we should all be thankful for that...last thing we need is two me's around here. :guffaw:
Hun there are times when women who like being opinionated (Which you do) Need to shut up until that opinion is better informed, especially when you don't TWO of TWO of the series main cast (Odo from DS9 the chief of DS9 Security and Neelix the cook on Voyager, Both played by former Benson cast members by the way.)

I don't mind you having an opinion most of the time Cakes but when you are so off base and out of touch with what you say you're a fan of it becomes grating and ends up looking like you're just doing this to raise up people cockles.

BTW there was nothing Wrong with Keenser as "Alien Scotty got stuck with on Ice Planet" he did add something to the movie. A new alien species in a movie that was supposed to have freaken aliens in it. Remember it's sci/fi...

Aliens, going into space... They don't all have to look the same. Just sayin :cool:
 
Hun there are times when women who like being opinionated (Which you do) Need to shut up until that opinion is better informed

What the hell? How was that even remotely called for?
 
Hun there are times when women who like being opinionated (Which you do) Need to shut up until that opinion is better informed
What the hell? How was that even remotely called for?
Maybe, Maybe not, I like Cakes, and I treat people I like with enough respect to be brutally honest with them. That's all it was. Well and also to hit on the fact that she let her ego go earlier in saying she's always right.


PS. Also Cakes is just going to fire something back at me in her intimadible fashion, standing tall on her morals and being as sexy clever as ever. Really I think she's going to be less offended that you were :)
 
What you have to ask yourself is - would the next movie be lacking something if Keenser wasn't in it? I'd have to say no, it wouldn't. I didn't hate his appearance in the film, but he's not an essential cast member by any means.

But Scotty needs a bigger role next time. And yes, he needs to have some (I'd say mainly) non-comic relief moments. Pegg's a good actor. He can do it.

This is it...he added nothing...if that much...I understand Rob's point about throwing the kiddies a bone with his inclusion but if that is the case then I think...no I know it could of been done a lot better -- cuter and more endearing. I really don't "hate" this character because he had little screen time...but I'm sure I would feel differently if he had a bigger role....which he shouldn't..thank you. As a matter of fact if this teenser dissappeared altogether in the next round...I doubt the non hardcore Trek fan would even notice....including the kids.

You should already know these four:

"Spock"
"Sarek"
"Nero"
"Geila"

A quick rundown from memory (so it may be a bit off):

"Raghoratreii" - Efrosian; President of the United Federation of Planets
"Kor" - Klingon; Commander (Original Series)
"Kang" - Klingon; Diplomat, Commander (Original Series)
"Koloth" - Klingon; Commander (Original Series)
"Dax" - Trill; Lt. Commander Science Ops (Deep Space Nine); Crewman aboard the Enterprise (Star Trek VI)
"Worf" - Klingon; Lt. J.g then Lt. Commander aboard the Starship Enterprise D (TNG); Lt. Commander Deep Space Nine
"Odo" - Changeling; Security Officer (DS9)
"Kes" - Ocampan; A short lived species, was also a nurse on Voyager (VOY)
"Neelix" - Talaxian; served as morale officer and cook. (VOY)
"B'elanna" - Klingon; Chief Engineer of Voyager (VOY)
"Tomalak" - Romulan; Commander in the Romulan Guard



Oh, and I loved the Spock/Uhura pairing. :D

J.

I recognize all the names from TOS of course and nuTrek...oh yeah and Worf too but aside from that I don't know who these people are. I have heard of Odo and Neelix though....they must of been popular characters.

Yeah you and everybody and their mamma like this Spock/Uhura thang...there's only a few lone dissenters on the other side...or at least no one that I've seen as vocal as me about it....I suppose we should all be thankful for that...last thing we need is two me's around here. :guffaw:
Hun there are times when women who like being opinionated (Which you do) Need to shut up until that opinion is better informed, especially when you don't TWO of TWO of the series main cast (Odo from DS9 the chief of DS9 Security and Neelix the cook on Voyager, Both played by former Benson cast members by the way.)

I don't mind you having an opinion most of the time Cakes but when you are so off base and out of touch with what you say you're a fan of it becomes grating and ends up looking like you're just doing this to raise up people cockles.

BTW there was nothing Wrong with Keenser as "Alien Scotty got stuck with on Ice Planet" he did add something to the movie. A new alien species in a movie that was supposed to have freaken aliens in it. Remember it's sci/fi...

Aliens, going into space... They don't all have to look the same. Just sayin :cool:

I'm sorry Hun but who the fuck are you...the opinion police?
Well go ahead and arrest me then and I like it rough.
What does being a woman have to do with anything...HUH??? You sound sexist and you basically told me to shut up which I take great offense too.

Looks like you're trying to bait me into a brawl...but I'm not going for it...... Hun. And besides was I addressing you? No I wasn't and if it's raising your cock-els and grating on you so damn much.... as you say then why are you replying? WHY? LOL this is humourous to say the least...and so what if I didn't watch DS9 or Voyager or any of the other Treks...?? What does that have to do with anything and any opinion I've given? I know Trek has Aliens...but at least they functioned and were there for a reason ...RIGHT?

And what is sooo off base...it's an OPINION that I didn't like Keenser and thought it was a waste...I don't like this new alien species...is that OK with you or should I be flogged for that..? Remember I like it rough so flogging might not be the way to go....and Just as your free to like him...I'm free to not...news flash this is what makes the world go round. Or should we all be the same and agree on everything???

Noirve I tell you...da noirve...no matter what my above tone is..I have no animosity for you...but I shall reply and defend myself and my position as needed. So if you're looking for me to shut up *hint hint* this isn't the way to do it. :lol:
 
Hun there are times when women who like being opinionated (Which you do) Need to shut up until that opinion is better informed
What the hell? How was that even remotely called for?
Maybe, Maybe not, I like Cakes, and I treat people I like with enough respect to be brutally honest with them. That's all it was. Well and also to hit on the fact that she let her ego go earlier in saying she's always right.


PS. Also Cakes is just going to fire something back at me in her intimadible fashion, standing tall on her morals and being as sexy clever as ever. Really I think she's going to be less offended that you were :)

Good Lord and all his followers...that was a joke, sarcasm..I'm sure I put a laughing face or something next to it to make that clear (didn't I)...who really thinks they are always right???

LOL man it's almost....(almost) like you know me a little...saying I won't be that offended...but the shut up part...hurt me a little *sniff sniff*...

But no matter...cuz it won't work....lookkkkkk ii'''mmm ssttttiiiillll talking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
This is it...he added nothing...if that much...I understand Rob's point about throwing the kiddies a bone with his inclusion but if that is the case then I think...no I know it could of been done a lot better -- cuter and more endearing. I really don't "hate" this character because he had little screen time...but I'm sure I would feel differently if he had a bigger role....which he shouldn't..thank you. As a matter of fact if this teenser dissappeared altogether in the next round...I doubt the non hardcore Trek fan would even notice....including the kids.



I recognize all the names from TOS of course and nuTrek...oh yeah and Worf too but aside from that I don't know who these people are. I have heard of Odo and Neelix though....they must of been popular characters.

Yeah you and everybody and their mamma like this Spock/Uhura thang...there's only a few lone dissenters on the other side...or at least no one that I've seen as vocal as me about it....I suppose we should all be thankful for that...last thing we need is two me's around here. :guffaw:
Hun there are times when women who like being opinionated (Which you do) Need to shut up until that opinion is better informed, especially when you don't TWO of TWO of the series main cast (Odo from DS9 the chief of DS9 Security and Neelix the cook on Voyager, Both played by former Benson cast members by the way.)

I don't mind you having an opinion most of the time Cakes but when you are so off base and out of touch with what you say you're a fan of it becomes grating and ends up looking like you're just doing this to raise up people cockles.

BTW there was nothing Wrong with Keenser as "Alien Scotty got stuck with on Ice Planet" he did add something to the movie. A new alien species in a movie that was supposed to have freaken aliens in it. Remember it's sci/fi...

Aliens, going into space... They don't all have to look the same. Just sayin :cool:

I'm sorry Hun but who the fuck are you...the opinion police?
Well go ahead and arrest me then and I like it rough.
What does being a woman have to do with anything...HUH??? You sound sexist and you basically told me to shut up which I take great offense too.

Looks like you're trying to bait me into a brawl...but I'm not going for it...... Hun. And besides was I addressing you? No I wasn't and if it's raising your cock-els and grating on you so damn much.... as you say then why are you replying? WHY? LOL this is humourous to say the least...and so what if I didn't watch DS9 or Voyager or any of the other Treks...?? What does that have to do with anything and any opinion I've given? I know Trek has Aliens...but at least they functioned and were there for a reason ...RIGHT?

And what is sooo off base...it's an OPINION that I didn't like Keenser and thought it was a waste...I don't like this new alien species...is that OK with you or should I be flogged for that..? Remember I like it rough so flogging might not be the way to go....and Just as your free to like him...I'm free to not...news flash this is what makes the world go round. Or should we all be the same and agree on everything???

Noirve I tell you...da noirve...no matter what my above tone is..I have no animosity for you...but I shall reply and defend myself and my position as needed. So if you're looking for me to shut up *hint hint* this isn't the way to do it. :lol:
You didn't like an alien, in a sci/fi movie, that's supposed to have aliens. It seems a little dumb. It seems like as long as all the aliens look "Human" you don't have a problem with it. It's out of place in thinking that when we've established that a big flaw in trek is the fact that they haven't really done much in the "Aliens that look Alien department" And my opinion of how you post is pretty well pointed out. You post incessently with bad information. I can count several episodes when scotty was used for comic relief. Hell one of his famous lines was comic relief

"I'm giving her all she's got captain, the engines can nae take the Strain" was playing on his BAD scottish accent.

"It's Green" Was playing on how he'd drink ANYTHING as long as it was Alchohol

The fact that when he DID start a bar brawl it wasn't because they talked about his captain, but that they insulted the Enterprise and the comedy was when he told that to Kirk (Remember that scene from the Trouble with Tribbles)

In Star Trek III he makes a point to present the bolts he removed from the Excelsior's Transwarp drive to Kirk (SIX BOLTS SHUT DOWN THE SHIP)

Or in Trek V "I know this ship like the back of my hand" and then he hits his head on a BEAM. THAT IS SLAPSTICK and it's in trek and it happened with Montgomery Scott.

You, Hun, Were wrong. I am in no way sexist because I have no problem telling you when your wrong. If I WAS Sexist I'd let you go on your merry way and look like a fool, but hell I have respect for you because you stick to your guns and when your right you're very powerful, but when you're this far off. Fuck it I won't try and help you when your embarassing yourself this badly.;)

PS and if you seriously think I'm that aggitated you really don't know me. It's Tuesday, karaoke day and I'm practicing dealing with the drunks. and I Post over at DM.Net, you guys are tame.
 
Oh DM.net and this is tame....what's that...I'll have to check that out then...LOL.

LOL Who said that I don't like aliens that look....um...alien? Where did I say that...where? Where did I say I want the aliens to look human....just what are you talking about? I just don't care for this particular alien as for me he added nothing....what did this alien do? Nothing.....and for what? For the kids...the 5 year olds?? Pa-leeze.

I may post incessently and I may post with bad information but not together...I do not post incessently with bad information.....and the few examples that you pointed out with Scotty's comic moments are the examples I was thinking of....so do ya got any more....(from Tos) because those handful of "funny" times you point out hardly, hardly consitutes him being the funnyman. Go ahead and name some episodes that the guy was funny, we all know about trouble with trib's....go ahead because it's not really there.
When's the last time you've watched TOS? I can't comment on the movies because I wasn't referring the them. I'm only talking about TOS here which my profile clearly states.

And it's Hon...I'm no Attila...I ain't that bad! Ok Ok that was corny...can't all be winners.

Whether you realize it or not you were being a tad sexist by saying: "there are times when women who like being opinionated (Which you do) Need to shut up until that opinion is better informed". You didn't need to say women did you...could of just said there are times when you should just be quiet until your opinon is better informed....how does being a woman factor into that? Yeah you were just trying to start a little shit...admit it !!!

Well if you think this is embarrassing myself badly we should go out drinkin this Saturday night and I'll really show you some embarrassement ! LOL
 
Oh DM.net and this is tame....what's that...I'll have to check that out then...LOL.

LOL Who said that I don't like aliens that look....um...alien? Where did I say that...where? Where did I say I want the aliens to look human....just what are you talking about? I just don't care for this particular alien as for me he added nothing....what did this alien do? Nothing.....and for what? For the kids...the 5 year olds?? Pa-leeze.

I may post incessently and I may post with bad information but not together...I do not post incessently with bad information.....and the few examples that you pointed out with Scotty's comic moments are the examples I was thinking of....so do ya got any more....(from Tos) because those handful of "funny" times you point out hardly, hardly consitutes him being the funnyman. Go ahead and name some episodes that the guy was funny, we all know about trouble with trib's....go ahead because it's not really there.
When's the last time you've watched TOS? I can't comment on the movies because I wasn't referring the them. I'm only talking about TOS here which my profile clearly states.

And it's Hon...I'm no Attila...I ain't that bad! Ok Ok that was corny...can't all be winners.

Whether you realize it or not you were being a tad sexist by saying: "there are times when women who like being opinionated (Which you do) Need to shut up until that opinion is better informed". You didn't need to say women did you...could of just said there are times when you should just be quiet until your opinon is better informed....how does being a woman factor into that? Yeah you were just trying to start a little shit...admit it !!!

Well if you think this is embarrassing myself badly we should go out drinkin this Saturday night and I'll really show you some embarrassement ! LOL
Only if the drinks are on you cause Friday is my birthday...

And on reflection yeah it was a bit sexist... Sorry.

But like I said I dig ya Cakes. :)
 
^^^ Well Happy Birthday to you!!! How old are you gonna be? Too bad Long Pond's not cloeser to Barryville to make those drinks happen but PA is a big state now. Furthest I get down that way is Thunderswamp Trail System -- what an awesome place that is. It's all good and next time I'm being an embarrassment to myself or anyone else please alert me...we should just have like a "red phone" for this...LOL
 
Really I think she's going to be less offended that you were :)

I wasn't offended in the slightest. I simply thought the implied misogyny was a bit OTT, but then it looks like I got the wrong end of the stick and it's fuck all to do with me anyway. :)
 
Really I think she's going to be less offended that you were :)

I wasn't offended in the slightest. I simply thought the implied misogyny was a bit OTT, but then it looks like I got the wrong end of the stick and it's fuck all to do with me anyway. :)

Thanks for steppin in for me though...nobody has ever done that before for me (that I've seen).....so I'm :adore: you right now....just right now though.....next post I may be screaming at you...LOL just kidding!!!!!!!!!!
 
^^^ Well Happy Birthday to you!!! How old are you gonna be? Too bad Long Pond's not cloeser to Barryville to make those drinks happen but PA is a big state now. Furthest I get down that way is Thunderswamp Trail System -- what an awesome place that is. It's all good and next time I'm being an embarrassment to myself or anyone else please alert me...we should just have like a "red phone" for this...LOL

I'm going to be... Sigh 36

BTW yeah an Hour and a Half is too far to make you come out for Drinks Or Vice Versa.
 
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