Paramount wants the next Trek to be in 3D

[UFO]

For fans of Star Trek and its message of tolerance, let alone the philosophy of I.D.I.C., there seems to be a huge lack of it on this particular subject and other Star Trek related topics.

Oh, well, some people just don't practice what they preach.

... what is it with all of this primitive and mindless, let alone distateful hatred and resentment toward J.J. Abrams?

I see what you mean.

 

[Ryan8bit]

The best one of all, being 2001: A Space Odyssey. The greatest science fiction film ever made for the cinema. A film, whose production values and artistic qualities ...

Sadly it ends there; that film is a boring pile of sleeping pills; it makes TMP look positively riveting.

critics and the audience disagree with you.

I like how when somebody personally likes something, they use popular opinion to justify it, but then when they dislike something popular...

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Babylon 5 was a great disappointment, a show with early promise that amounted to nothing. It had and continues to have a small and devoted following which considers it better than it was (which is what devoted followings are for, of course) and has not grown over time.

 

[Bishop76]

Babylon 5 was a great disappointment, a show with early promise that amounted to nothing. It had and continues to have a small and devoted following which considers it better than it was (which is what devoted followings are for, of course) and has not grown over time.

I don't think it amounted to nothing. It was far more nuanced and adult than anything Trek did in the 90s and basically told the story of Lord of the Rings in space.

It did suffer from a very low budget though. Rough effects, sub-par actors, and chintzy looking sets are the reason most people have for disliking it. Most of the people who dismiss it like that have rarely watched more than 5 minutes and are entirely basing their opinions on superficiality. I know, I was one of those people until I watched a full episode.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Actually it was a gigantic success and the acting, writing and production garnered critical acclaim and numerous industry awards. It continues to be the highest rated Trek movie on Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB. Thanks for playing, you lose.

RAMA

Um, no......No more so than any other movie that has came out. In my day, Trek was a household name. My 21 yr old wife, by contrast, has never heard of Trek.

How is that possible? Do YOU not watch Star Trek or something, never mentioned it to her, never introduced it to her... I mean, what?

I'm sure you mean HAD never heard of Star Trek before. This I can say was true of most of my friends (though none of my family) until 2009. OTOH, everyone I talked into going to see STXI came away saying "No wonder you like this show. That was cool!" or some variation thereof.

 

[UFO]

Um, no......No more so than any other movie that has came out. In my day, Trek was a household name. My 21 yr old wife, by contrast, has never heard of Trek.

How is that possible?

I blame it on that "No child left behind" business!

 

[Set Harth]

As I said before, what is it with all of this primitive and mindless, let alone distateful hatred and resentment toward J.J. Abrams?

I don't resent Abrams. I resent 3-D.

 

[Expo67]

The best one of all, being 2001: A Space Odyssey. The greatest science fiction film ever made for the cinema. A film, whose production values and artistic qualities ...

Sadly it ends there; that film is a boring pile of sleeping pills; it makes TMP look positively riveting.

To some, yes, but to others, no. It's one of those films where you either like it or you don't. There is just no middle ground. People said the same thing about Star Trek-The Motion Picture and Blade Runner.

It's all in how you look at it.

 

[Expo67]

Babylon 5 was a great disappointment, a show with early promise that amounted to nothing. It had and continues to have a small and devoted following which considers it better than it was (which is what devoted followings are for, of course) and has not grown over time.

In your opinion. Some will no doubt dispute it.

Nevertheless, what sets Babylon 5 apart from other science fiction productions was the fact that it had a built in story arc, and a storyline that was full of surprises. Twists and turns that are normally not part of your standard series formula.

Babylon 5 set out to break that tradition and it succeeded in that goal. Honestly, with that particular story direction, it was more entertaining than the disappointing Star Trek spin-offs Deep Space Nine and Voyager. Most of all, it was a series that was also made to be a "novel for television", with each season serving as either a chapter, or part if you will, of that said book.

I don't think it was disappointing at all. I think it was a brilliant form of science fiction entertainment that chose to do things in a different perspective.

 

[Harvey]

Alfred Hitchcock was a shameless populist who nontheless made some very fine and entertaining films but I'd never call any of them pieces of filmmaking art.

*SNIP*

Steven Spielberg hasn't made a good film since Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

Granted, your assessment of Steven Spielberg isn't exactly very bright, but how does Hitchcock get branded as a "shameless populist" but Spielberg, the master of emotionally-manipulative sentimentality, doesn't?

The best directors in my opinion are the following:

2. Peter Hyams

I think Hyams gets dumped on a little much, but I wouldn't rank him as the second best anything. He's made a few entertaining films like 2010 and Capricorn One, but the vast majority of his filmography is pretty unremarkable.

 

[Expo67]

Alfred Hitchcock was a shameless populist who nontheless made some very fine and entertaining films but I'd never call any of them pieces of filmmaking art.

*SNIP*

Steven Spielberg hasn't made a good film since Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

Granted, your assessment of Steven Spielberg isn't exactly very bright, but how does Hitchcock get branded as a "shameless populist" but Spielberg, the master of emotionally-manipulative sentimentality, doesn't?

The best directors in my opinion are the following:

2. Peter Hyams

I think Hyams gets dumped on a little much, but I wouldn't rank him as the second best anything. He's made a few entertaining films like 2010 and Capricorn One, but the vast majority of his filmography is pretty unremarkable.

Sadly, he has been for some time. Nevertheless, he is still an excellent screenwriter, producer, director, and cinemaphotographer.

 

[ST-One]

Babylon 5 was a great disappointment, a show with early promise that amounted to nothing. It had and continues to have a small and devoted following which considers it better than it was (which is what devoted followings are for, of course) and has not grown over time.

It's still the better Deep Space Nine...

 

[ST-One]

The best one of all, being 2001: A Space Odyssey. The greatest science fiction film ever made for the cinema. A film, whose production values and artistic qualities ...

Sadly it ends there; that film is a boring pile of sleeping pills; it makes TMP look positively riveting.

critics and the audience disagree with you.

I like how when somebody personally likes something, they use popular opinion to justify it, but then when they dislike something popular...

Neither 2001 and certainly not TMP ispopular anymore.

 

[JarodRussell]

Sadly it ends there; that film is a boring pile of sleeping pills; it makes TMP look positively riveting.

critics and the audience disagree with you.

I like how when somebody personally likes something, they use popular opinion to justify it, but then when they dislike something popular...

Neither 2001 and certainly not TMP ispopular anymore.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Neither 2001 and certainly not TMP ispopular anymore.

I don't think TMP was ever that popular, but 2001, whether you like it or not, is deemed by a great majority to be a classic. Many consider it to be one of the finest sci-fi movies of all time.

 

[ST-One]

I like how when somebody personally likes something, they use popular opinion to justify it, but then when they dislike something popular...

Neither 2001 and certainly not TMP ispopular anymore.

Neither 2001 and certainly not TMP ispopular anymore.

I don't think TMP was ever that popular, but 2001, whether you like it or not, is deemed by a great majority to be a classic. Many consider it to be one of the finest sci-fi movies of all time.

Sure, it's a classic.
But popular?
It may be among scifi-fans; but not among the general audience?

 

[JarodRussell]

You'll find more people who know 2001 than people who know Star Trek.

2001 is like Citizen Kane. Not everybody has necessarily seen it, but everybody has heard of it, and that it's supposed to be a classic. People are positively prejudiced about it.


What is that mystical "general audience" everyone is talking about anyway?

 

[ST-One]

What is that mystical "general audience" everyone is talking about anyway?

The non-scifi fans.

 

[JarodRussell]

What is that mystical "general audience" everyone is talking about anyway?

The non-scifi fans.

Why is that one genre excluded in that general audience?

 

[Bishop76]

Because the sci-fi audience is a niche audience. Most "general audiences" will immediately lose interest in a movie if they see an alien or a spaceship or a laser gun. General audiences like things like romantic comedies, action adventures, and so forth.

Sci-fi is getting a bigger audience as time goes on, but it's still pretty small compared to that general audience.