I have heard that but I personally have not hit that point yet.
Checks out.
Paramount apparently still doesn't get it...
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I don't tend to hate it, but I thought Discovery went overboard with it. Of course, it is a MMV-type of situation.
Nah. The characters have zero chemistry and I don't care much about either of them separately either.
Well, yes, Disco can take their emotional moments a bit too far at times. The need to take a break during an ongoing crisis in order to have a heart to heart is one of the more questionable uses of emotionalism. And let's not even get started on the Tears For Cannibal Space Hitler scene.
so true
Direct quote from Terry Matalas:
Terry Matalas On How ‘Picard’ Season 3 Ends, Setting Up ‘Star Trek: Legacy’ Spin-Off – TrekMovie.com
Boy, wouldn’t you want to check in with the Klingon Empire? Wouldn’t you want to check in with Deep Space Nine and The Doctor [from Voyager] and everything that went on with the Berman-verse? So that’s kind of where I see is to explore the galaxy and sort of get back to the Next Gen roots of storytelling is what I would see as a kind of version of Star Trek I’d like to see, with this group of characters that we’re seeing.
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Well, this is where he loses me.
He wants to go in the exact opposite direction of where I would've wanted him to go. "Boy, wouldn't you want to check in [...] on everything that went on with the Berman-verse?" No. No, I don't. Picard followed up on everything I thought should've been followed up on. Cleaning up NEM's mess was necessary. Addressing things the TNG Movies should've addressed but never did was necessary. They've done that now.
TNG/DS9/VOY had its time. More time than any other Star Trek era. I thought PIC would be a bridge, a transition to something else. But, if it's not, they're better off sticking with the 23rd and 32nd Centuries.
Terry Matalas On How ‘Picard’ Season 3 Ends, Setting Up ‘Star Trek: Legacy’ Spin-Off – TrekMovie.com
Boy, wouldn’t you want to check in with the Klingon Empire? Wouldn’t you want to check in with Deep Space Nine and The Doctor [from Voyager] and everything that went on with the Berman-verse? So that’s kind of where I see is to explore the galaxy and sort of get back to the Next Gen roots of storytelling is what I would see as a kind of version of Star Trek I’d like to see, with this group of characters that we’re seeing.
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Well, this is where he loses me.
He wants to go in the exact opposite direction of where I would've wanted him to go. "Boy, wouldn't you want to check in [...] on everything that went on with the Berman-verse?" No. No, I don't. Picard followed up on everything I thought should've been followed up on. Cleaning up NEM's mess was necessary. Addressing things the TNG Movies should've addressed but never did was necessary. They've done that now.
TNG/DS9/VOY had its time. More time than any other Star Trek era. I thought PIC would be a bridge, a transition to something else. But, if it's not, they're better off sticking with the 23rd and 32nd Centuries.
Makes as much sense as Phase II being sidelined for TNG and look how well that turned out
That's pretty much my opinion.
For instance, Ro was one of my favorite TNG characters, I liked her more than Riker, Troi, Crusher and LaForge, but I thought "Preemptive Strike" wrapped up her character nicely, I didn't need for her to make up with Picard. Real life is filled with making choices that hurt other people and not getting closure.
Sadly, this is not just a Trek thing. There is (and has probably always been) a portion of the science fiction audience that feels strongly that "SCIENCE fiction" is about ideas, not emotion, and that finds too much emphasis on feelings and relationships (often dismissed as "soap opera") almost as distasteful as Vulcans might. Science fiction is supposed to be about cool, competent scientists, soldiers, and engineers who seldom break a sweat even when escaping from the event horizon of a collapsing black hole. Emotional crises should stay in "mundane" literary fiction where they belong. "If I wanted to read about people dealing with their personal issues, I wouldn't read SF!"
By coincidence, I recently stumbled onto a discussion, elsewhere on the internet, about the works of A. E. Van Vogt, where one of the other posters was, to his credit, quite open about the fact that when it came to SF, he only cared about the ideas, not the characterization or the prose style, and in fact preferred his SF straight up, with as little interpersonal drama as possible.
Me, I grew up on authors like Sturgeon and Matheson and C. L. Moore, not to mention Rod Serling, so that's not a sensibility I particularly share, but, in my experience, it's always been present in the field.
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And when acted upon, that sensibility prevents science fiction from reaching its fullest artistic potential.
Agreed. I like and watch LD, but it’s juvenile and grating for the most part, and I only like half the main characters. If it wasn’t for the Easter eggs and franchise references, I’d honestly dislike it pretty thoroughly. PRO on the other hand has the perfect mix of “maturity for kids,” meaning that the shows are smart and engaging, but don’t contain stuff over their heads or inappropriate.
This is indeed a matter of taste. When in doubt, I'm inclined to err toward high emotion and melodrama versus cool and "cerebral," THE WRATH OF KHAN versus THE MOTION PICTURE, but how much is too much, either way, is certainly a judgment call.
I guess starships manned by an all-male crew that’s been chemically castrated would be right up their alley.
Count me in as one of those wanting to see more of Jack and Sydney!!!
PS: I’d also like to see more of Shaw and Seven.
PS: I’d also like to see more of Shaw and Seven.
He wants to go exactly the way I want it to go.
Move forward from the berman era shows. No more prequels or prequel/sequels (set 900 years into the future. )
You have 21 seasons worth of plot points that could be followed up with modern budgets, and the ability to serialize and not be forced into a reset button. Many of the actors are still acting. The production designers are still production designing. It's just a massive opportunity cost, and wasted opportunity, to not follow all that up. Plus with PRODIGY, you have the introduction of slipstream, so that opens up revisiting different parts of the Delta and Gamma Quadrants.He wants to go exactly the way I want it to go.
And prequels and far future are possible, just if ahem done in a way that respects and furthers pre-established continuity... ENT wise, the Temporal Cold War could finally get an explanation in a time travel series (maybe follow up "Relativity" and set it in the 29th century) or the Earth-Romulan War could be covered. And you also have the option to explore parallel universes beyond the Mirror Universe, or hell, depending on what the royalty payment to JJ Abrams would be, the Kelvin Universe after a century + of divergence.
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