#1 I am talking about Hollywood writer jargon, not people here on TrekBBS.
#2 I don't like it when people try to sound smart. I'd rather sit on a cactus.
Parallel Earth: Oh, kind'a weird. Oh well. WHAT?!
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#2 I don't like it when people try to sound smart. I'd rather sit on a cactus.
Whatever you like or don’t like isn’t relevant. Your reply was insulting and unnecessary.
Now please drop it and move on.
Perhaps the cat will lick it up. Are there currently normal people on Earth? Digression ended.I'm not frustrated with you or anyone here. People on forums talk like normal people. No one says weird shit like "hang a lampshade on it," it just screams "trying to sound smart." Instead, writers should just focus on BETTER WRITING so they don't have to "hang a lampshade on it."
I am writing a science-fiction novel. If I have to hang a lampshade on something, it's shitty writing, and I've got rewriting to do.
You do realize, that industry professionals, past and present, have and do post here.
Eh, I don't know - this whole "Oh, this looks like Earth"-Situation never bothered me, to be fair. I mean, later on Stargate SG 1 would spin the tale, that the Goa'uld kidnapped people from all time periods, which is why we have 1940s earth existing next to a roman world, coexisting with a world á la Genghis Khan. And while Trek is the earlier show, I always was like "Meh, okay, it's an earth-like planet this week."
In "Miri," making the planet a precise duplicate of Earth -- down to having exactly the same continents -- was just a cheap gimmick to get the viewing audience hooked. It was never explained, has absolutely no bearing on the story, and in fact is never mentioned again after the pre-credit teaser.
Also, “people trying to sound smart” may be nothing of the kind. Sometimes it’s just people *being* smart. And that’s okay.
(I’d arbitrarily suggest the difference as this: if they’re using complicated words to express something a simple word or phrase would explain just fine, that’s probably “trying to sound smart”. But if they’re using using a word or phrase you don’t immediately know to express something that would take longer or be less clear to say in simpler language, they’re being perfectly reasonable and there’s nothing wrong with just looking it up. [And learning something new thereby.])
“Planets = Vancouver. Got it!” (I was fine with that, for the sake of getting on with the story.)
What's disappointing about the identical Earth is that it's completely superfluous to the story of "Miri". As @scotpens mentioned, it's immediately forgotten once they beam down, and from there the exact same plot could have taken place on a random planet or a long lost human colony. They should have saved the "identical Earth" for a different episode where it could have played an actual role in the story.
With Stargate, it was less parallel Earths, more Earth-like planets with transplanted humans, but I get what you're saying. Earth-like village of the week with English-speaking humans was a core concept of the series, and everyone planet looks like Canadian wilderness.
See, that's what bothers me. Everyone on the bridge acts like it's just another Tuesday at work. No one's WTF, no one asks why.
When I say, "trying to sound smart," I mean people who try way too hard to sound "intellectual" while everyone else is just talking normal. When I've called people out on this, they get far too offended, like someone just kicked their puppy. I got zero patience for it. It's not about intelligence, it's about language.
With Stargate, it was less parallel Earths, more Earth-like planets with transplanted humans, but I get what you're saying. Earth-like village of the week with English-speaking humans was a core concept of the series, and everyone planet looks like Canadian wilderness.
See, that's what bothers me. Everyone on the bridge acts like it's just another Tuesday at work. No one's WTF, no one asks why.
Please use the multi-quote function rather than posting 3 times in a row.
The rules pinned at the top of this forum include spamming, which you have come very close to not only here, but with the sheer volume of threads you've started.
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Wonderfully lampshaded by O'Neill: Ah, trees, trees, and more trees. What a wonderfully green universe we live in, eh?With Stargate, it was less parallel Earths, more Earth-like planets with transplanted humans, but I get what you're saying. Earth-like village of the week with English-speaking humans was a core concept of the series, and everyone planet looks like Canadian wilderness.
(BTW, I'm an engineer and have nothing to do with any kind of entertainment production, and I know the "lampshaded" term. No idea when I picked it up in the last several decades.)
First time I heard of the lampshade thing was in SG-1's "200." I was like: who talks like this?
I gotta give SG-1 credit, they were very good at location shoots not being painfully boring like in those Sci-Fi Channel original TV movies.
They were also good at hiding that they were using the same locations over and over. However, the desert and rocky locations were always, "Oh look, they've been there... I mean, new planet!"
Or did and have posted.
I've heard the lampshading term, and I'm not in the industry. Didn't seem particularly obscure to me.
People in an industry that uses the term and people familiar with the term through interest in those industries. It's jargon. Every industry has jargon. Sometime that jargon slips into the common vernacular.First time I heard of the lampshade thing was in SG-1's "200." I was like: who talks like this?
I guess, but I guess I prefer direct communication and not weird ass expressions that just leave me staring blankly, asking myself, "Why you talk like this?"
Lampshade Hanging (or, more informally, "Lampshading") is the writers' trick of dealing with any element of the story that seems too dubious to take at face value, whether a very implausible plot development or a particularly blatant use of a trope, by calling attention to it and simply moving on.
This assures the audience that the author is aware of the implausible plot development that just happened, and that they aren't trying to slip something past the audience. It also assures the audience that the world of the story is like Real Life: what's implausible for you is just as implausible for these characters, and just as likely to provoke an incredulous response. (source)
For me, I just find all of this entirely unnecessary. It works in comedy and campy productions, stuff like Stargate (camp) and Galaxy Quest (comedy), but otherwise, I dunno, it's like when people say, "No pun intended."
You don't use jargon in real life? Your job doesn't have words and phrases that are unique to your industry? Talking that way is "realism".
You should try Dragnet.For me, I just find all of this entirely unnecessary. It works in comedy and campy productions, stuff like Stargate (camp) and Galaxy Quest (comedy), but otherwise, I dunno, it's like when people say, "No pun intended."
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