Please see my edit above....and respond.
Paradox:Easy way to restore the natural order
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Please see my edit above....and respond.
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It was pretty plain to me when I was watching it. I just quoted from someone who'd already taken the trouble to spell it out.
Ergo, nothing to "restore"--the "prime timeline" remains intact.
People are really arguing about this? 
It's an alternate quantum reality. Kurtzman and Orci said it in the pre-release interviews and until the movie refutes that, that's what it is.
The nova still happens in the "Prime" timeline, whether or not it does in this one. In that timeline, Romulus is still destroyed and history is still the same no matter what happens in the movie timeline. Knowing that it is likely to happen in the movie timeline may prevent it, and it may not. Spock may one day become an ambassador in the altered timeline, or may not.
Likewise, the Nero from the movie timeline may grow up to command a mining vessel and end up in the past to alter an already altered past... or he may not. If he does, he will create yet another alternate. For all we know, Nero won't be born in the altered timeline.
The point is: it's another reality. Whatever happens in this one has no direct bearing on the original.
It's an alternate quantum reality. Kurtzman and Orci said it in the pre-release interviews and until the movie refutes that, that's what it is.
The nova still happens in the "Prime" timeline, whether or not it does in this one. In that timeline, Romulus is still destroyed and history is still the same no matter what happens in the movie timeline. Knowing that it is likely to happen in the movie timeline may prevent it, and it may not. Spock may one day become an ambassador in the altered timeline, or may not.
Likewise, the Nero from the movie timeline may grow up to command a mining vessel and end up in the past to alter an already altered past... or he may not. If he does, he will create yet another alternate. For all we know, Nero won't be born in the altered timeline.
The point is: it's another reality. Whatever happens in this one has no direct bearing on the original.
I don't think that Nero had any desire to avert the nova in the abramsverse. I think he realized that he was in an alternate universe and that his own wife and life were irrevocably destroyed back where he'd originated. I think that just made him want to kill as many people (Vulcans and humans) and to harm Spock prime as much as he could before they finally killed him. I don't even think it mattered all that much to him whether those he killed were Vulcans or humans from his own universe or another one.
Fundamentally, I think that Nero's motivation was much like Alfred saw the Joker's motivation to be in Dark Knight: "Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money [or to save Romulus]. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."
Nero, I believe, was driven mad when his wife was killed, and I think he just wanted to set the universe on fire, to hurt as many others as he could, until there weren't any more people left to hurt. He didn't give a damn for Romulus or anything or anyone else in the abramsverse. Sometimes, I think it's exactly as simple as that.
Fundamentally, I think that Nero's motivation was much like Alfred saw the Joker's motivation to be in Dark Knight: "Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money [or to save Romulus]. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."
Nero, I believe, was driven mad when his wife was killed, and I think he just wanted to set the universe on fire, to hurt as many others as he could, until there weren't any more people left to hurt. He didn't give a damn for Romulus or anything or anyone else in the abramsverse. Sometimes, I think it's exactly as simple as that.
The main catalyst for possibly restoring theoriginal "Prime" timeline, and/or uniting the timelines is Prime Spock being alive and well in the altered universe.Spock has the knowledge of the "Jellyfish" ship,red matter,the "possible" future,etc..We are being asked to believe that this is the same Trek universe thuse altered because of future Spock's/Nero's actions.If Nero were to be stopped in the future somehow before he got a chance to go into the past or if his reason for doing so were averted/quelled, then this would completely eradicate all actions that changed the past because he(Nero) would never have traveled into the past to destroy the Kelvin(thus restoring Kirk's original rise to Enterprise captain), destroy Vulcan, or wait for Spock to arrive.
Again, not saying this should or ever will happen as it's VERY unlikely(in the movies at lesat).The new timeline does figure into the new Trek mmorpg where they have been writing a new history for post Nemsis Federation(Klingnons,Romulans, etc.)and the events of the new movie are worked into Trek canon/history there without changing very much about Trek's future (24th century at least)as we still have a Picard who is now an ambassador but was once the captain of the Enterprise D and E etc.,etc.,etc..For arguments sake, Old Spock is likely trapped in the alternate timeline in which Vulcan was destroyed whereas "Prime" Vulcan is very much intact in the original timeline that Nero and Old Spock traveled from.Not only did Nero and Spock travel into the past, but they did so to the past of an alternate universe.I believe that is the story. Kutrzman and Orci are using.
Again, not saying this should or ever will happen as it's VERY unlikely(in the movies at lesat).The new timeline does figure into the new Trek mmorpg where they have been writing a new history for post Nemsis Federation(Klingnons,Romulans, etc.)and the events of the new movie are worked into Trek canon/history there without changing very much about Trek's future (24th century at least)as we still have a Picard who is now an ambassador but was once the captain of the Enterprise D and E etc.,etc.,etc..For arguments sake, Old Spock is likely trapped in the alternate timeline in which Vulcan was destroyed whereas "Prime" Vulcan is very much intact in the original timeline that Nero and Old Spock traveled from.Not only did Nero and Spock travel into the past, but they did so to the past of an alternate universe.I believe that is the story. Kutrzman and Orci are using.
I think that the evidence points toward the universe of origin for Spock Prime (Spock'; the Primeverse) being one that we have not seen before in any of the tv/movie incarnations of Trek.
The tech that exists in the Abramsverse NCC-1701 is clearly different from that of the one we saw on ST:TOS, and therefore any tech that would be derived from it by the 24th century would be very different from what we saw both on TNG and in the post ST:FC eras.
Spock prime did not comment on any tech being different or not as he remembered it, therefore, it was likely very similar to what he remembered. Likely, Spock' is neither the Spock of 'original' TOS or the post-ST:FC universe. Presumably, the prime/abrams-verses share a common point of divergence with the TOS/post-ST:FC universes. Somewhere in the shared past of the two branches of the multiverse, there was apparently an event that led to a divergence of technology (and society).
The 1701-E probably ended up in an alternate (though very, very similar) timeline when they returned from Earth's past in ST:FC. Enterprise (the tv show) apparently occurred in that universe (as evidenced by remaining Borg debris on Earth). The last we saw of that second, slightly different universe was in Nemesis.
See if this diagram makes any sense:
The tech that exists in the Abramsverse NCC-1701 is clearly different from that of the one we saw on ST:TOS, and therefore any tech that would be derived from it by the 24th century would be very different from what we saw both on TNG and in the post ST:FC eras.
Spock prime did not comment on any tech being different or not as he remembered it, therefore, it was likely very similar to what he remembered. Likely, Spock' is neither the Spock of 'original' TOS or the post-ST:FC universe. Presumably, the prime/abrams-verses share a common point of divergence with the TOS/post-ST:FC universes. Somewhere in the shared past of the two branches of the multiverse, there was apparently an event that led to a divergence of technology (and society).
The 1701-E probably ended up in an alternate (though very, very similar) timeline when they returned from Earth's past in ST:FC. Enterprise (the tv show) apparently occurred in that universe (as evidenced by remaining Borg debris on Earth). The last we saw of that second, slightly different universe was in Nemesis.
See if this diagram makes any sense:
http://www.overthinkingit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/timeline-300x248.jpg
People need to rent back to the future 2. Doc Brown explains it all on his chalk board.
Say you build a time machine and go back two years. By doing this you are not only going back in time but you are now also entering an alternate universe. So now two years back in time there are two yous. You A and You B. You A is the one that build the time machine and You B is the you from the past. You A decides to give You B the winning lottery ticket thinking that when You A goes back to the future You A would be filthy rich. UM..wrong. You A would just be traveling to You B's future where You B is filthy rich and You A is just an exact copy that came from an alternate timeline/universe. So the only way You A could enjoy the money would be to kill You B and live out as You B for the rest of You B's time.
People need to rent back to the future 2. Doc Brown explains it all on his chalk board.
Say you build a time machine and go back two years. By doing this you are not only going back in time but you are now also entering an alternate universe. So now two years back in time there are two yous. You A and You B. You A is the one that build the time machine and You B is the you from the past. You A decides to give You B the winning lottery ticket thinking that when You A goes back to the future You A would be filthy rich. UM..wrong. You A would just be traveling to You B's future where You B is filthy rich and You A is just an exact copy that came from an alternate timeline/universe. So the only way You A could enjoy the money would be to kill You B and live out as You B for the rest of You B's time.
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