P/C run amok...
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I have to say that I don't think calling Jean-Luc by his first name and occasionally being a little insubordinate exactly counts as ruthlessly exploiting Picard's feelings for her. I mean, McCoy did exactly the same thing with Kirk. It's called friendship. Seems like a big leap from there to marrying him and then dumping him just to get ahead in Starfleet...
Unless I missed one of the movies, I don't remember Kirk and McCoy having the same level of sexual tension though. 
^The mind boggles.
You can't deny she flirted like hell and led him on a lot.
You can't deny she flirted like hell and led him on a lot.
Of course not. The sexual tension was between Spock and McCoy.
^That getting him all excited and then dumping him fits into a pattern of behaviour we've seen from her.
I've read a amazing number of fanfics that include Picard accusing Beverly of being a "tease". Now, I'm not sure that he would use that word, but it's obvious that quite a few people agree with you.
I don't think that she's doing it to be malicious, or even just for the thrill. I think that she sincerely has feelings for him, and shows them warmly. But Beverly, although she appears on the surface to be more emotionally together than Picard, actually isn't. She has lost her parents at a very young age, she has lost her husband, and she's very, very afraid of getting too close to someone again. That isn't to excuse her, but it does explain why she ends up shying away.
I don't think that she's doing it to be malicious, or even just for the thrill. I think that she sincerely has feelings for him, and shows them warmly. But Beverly, although she appears on the surface to be more emotionally together than Picard, actually isn't. She has lost her parents at a very young age, she has lost her husband, and she's very, very afraid of getting too close to someone again. That isn't to excuse her, but it does explain why she ends up shying away.
^That's probably a fair point. The only men we've seen her with have really had to pursue her.
Hmm ... which episodes would you say that she was teasing him in? I can only think of the ambiguous conclusion to "Allegience".
Perhaps not a tease in the traditional sense of it. Meaning, she obviously has feelings for him (I think), he does for her, yet she won't do anything about them, and the ball's in her court.
Or something.
I could be talking out of my ass again. Seems to be a chronic condition.
Or something.
I could be talking out of my ass again. Seems to be a chronic condition.
I think her choice of dinner attire at the end of Attached bears some scrutiny. Even my mother (who makes the occasional pithy comment on P/C) said "she's wearing a skirt like that and yet she's dumping him?"
Let's see... it depends on how you define "she's teasing him"...
Let's start right with the beginning, "Encounter At Farpoint". As usual, Beverly thinks that the Captain's order that children are not allowed on the bridge doesn't apply to her son, just because he happens to be WESLEY Crusher, son of JACK Crusher. She seems to enjoy seeing Jean-Luc so helpless when she appears on the bridge and Wes behind her in the turbolift, I mean, come on, this reasoning "he's not on the bridge, he's in the turbolift", this is just a perfect example of "hey, Jean-Luc, I'm making fun of your orders".
I know that it's Jean-Luc who asks Wesley to come to the bridge then, but only because he's stunned to see him and only because Beverly literally forces him. That's what I call "teasing" in one way. He doesn't like children and she KNOWS that, and yet she's teasing him by getting Wes onto the bridge...
The next example is from the very same episode. He comes into sickbay to "welcome her aboard". First thing she does is telling him a BIIIIG lie: "Captain. My feelings about my husband's death will have no effect on the way I serve you,
this vessel, or this mission."
He then says: "Then, welcome aboard, Doctor. I'm pleased to have you here."
And then she shakes his hand and says: Thank you. And now, if I can return to my duties..."
He tries to be friendly and give her a warm welcome and what is she doing? Almost telling him to get the hell out of sickbay - but, of course, only AFTER reminding him once again that Jack's death was directly related to him.
I call that "teasing", too.
If you see "teasing" in a sexual way, take "Allegiance". I know, it's not Jean-Luc she's talking to, but she thinks it's him, so this doesn't make any difference. He invites her over, she accepts, and flirts around with him like hell, she even lets herself be kissed by him and then she behaves as if he has just invaded her privacy, she behaves like someone who's been kissed for the first time and doesn't know anything about it, she behaves like as if HE's the one who's guilty, not her. I mean, come on - she's teasing this poor man mercilessly. And then she wonders why he's telling her to go? And then she has the nerve to ask him this: "Jean-Luc, if I didn't know you better... I'd think you were playing games with me." I wonder who was playing games with whom... I think she was just a little surprised that, in her opinion, he had actually just played the same game with her like she is always playing with him... 
Hmm... and, of course, there are so many little scenes in which she's teasing him one way or another. It's just not fair what she's doing, IMO. He's such a nice guy and yet she's playing with him as if he were a toy. It's his fault, too, of course, perhaps smasing a huge hammer onto his head or a bucket of cold water might wake him up. 
*gets those things ready*
Oh my, I feel like I'm becoming a constant pain for this thread
Let's start right with the beginning, "Encounter At Farpoint". As usual, Beverly thinks that the Captain's order that children are not allowed on the bridge doesn't apply to her son, just because he happens to be WESLEY Crusher, son of JACK Crusher. She seems to enjoy seeing Jean-Luc so helpless when she appears on the bridge and Wes behind her in the turbolift, I mean, come on, this reasoning "he's not on the bridge, he's in the turbolift", this is just a perfect example of "hey, Jean-Luc, I'm making fun of your orders".
I know that it's Jean-Luc who asks Wesley to come to the bridge then, but only because he's stunned to see him and only because Beverly literally forces him. That's what I call "teasing" in one way. He doesn't like children and she KNOWS that, and yet she's teasing him by getting Wes onto the bridge...
The next example is from the very same episode. He comes into sickbay to "welcome her aboard". First thing she does is telling him a BIIIIG lie: "Captain. My feelings about my husband's death will have no effect on the way I serve you,
this vessel, or this mission."
He then says: "Then, welcome aboard, Doctor. I'm pleased to have you here."
And then she shakes his hand and says: Thank you. And now, if I can return to my duties..."
He tries to be friendly and give her a warm welcome and what is she doing? Almost telling him to get the hell out of sickbay - but, of course, only AFTER reminding him once again that Jack's death was directly related to him.
I call that "teasing", too. If you see "teasing" in a sexual way, take "Allegiance". I know, it's not Jean-Luc she's talking to, but she thinks it's him, so this doesn't make any difference. He invites her over, she accepts, and flirts around with him like hell, she even lets herself be kissed by him and then she behaves as if he has just invaded her privacy, she behaves like someone who's been kissed for the first time and doesn't know anything about it, she behaves like as if HE's the one who's guilty, not her. I mean, come on - she's teasing this poor man mercilessly. And then she wonders why he's telling her to go?
And then she has the nerve to ask him this: "Jean-Luc, if I didn't know you better... I'd think you were playing games with me." I wonder who was playing games with whom... I think she was just a little surprised that, in her opinion, he had actually just played the same game with her like she is always playing with him... Hmm... and, of course, there are so many little scenes in which she's teasing him one way or another. It's just not fair what she's doing, IMO. He's such a nice guy and yet she's playing with him as if he were a toy. It's his fault, too, of course, perhaps smasing a huge hammer onto his head or a bucket of cold water might wake him up.
*gets those things ready*Oh my, I feel like I'm becoming a constant pain for this thread
You always have such an interesting perspective! (Meant sincerely rather than sarcastically, in case it isn't clear...)
I do agree with you that the Encounter at Farpoint comment about Wesley being on the turbolift is definitely teasing, and furthermore that it's definitely Beverly testing her limits with Picard. Will he tell me to get off the bridge? How will he react to Wesley? How will he treat me?
But I do have to take serious issue with this part of your argument:
But I will offer as evidence a scene where she definitely *is* teasing him, and moreover being perhaps a tiny bit cruel in doing so. This is from Violations:
I do agree with you that the Encounter at Farpoint comment about Wesley being on the turbolift is definitely teasing, and furthermore that it's definitely Beverly testing her limits with Picard. Will he tell me to get off the bridge? How will he react to Wesley? How will he treat me?
But I do have to take serious issue with this part of your argument:
Beverly tells him that her feelings will not affect her perfomance as CMO because it's obviously something that Picard's worried about. Whatever she may have done by bringing Wesley on the bridge, he has done something much worse to her... tried to get her transferred off the Enterprise. It is entirely within her rights for her to want to stay on board, and it is entirely correct for her to reassure him that she will behave in a professional manner. They both know that they're talking about Jack's death. It's just that Beverly is bringing it out in the open, most likely because she knows that Picard is reluctant to hurt her by doing so himself. I don't see this as teasing at all.Posted by MrsPicard:
First thing she does is telling him a BIIIIG lie: "Captain. My feelings about my husband's death will have no effect on the way I serve you,
this vessel, or this mission."
He then says: "Then, welcome aboard, Doctor. I'm pleased to have you here."
And then she shakes his hand and says: Thank you. And now, if I can return to my duties..."
He tries to be friendly and give her a warm welcome and what is she doing? Almost telling him to get the hell out of sickbay - but, of course, only AFTER reminding him once again that Jack's death was directly related to him.
But I will offer as evidence a scene where she definitely *is* teasing him, and moreover being perhaps a tiny bit cruel in doing so. This is from Violations:
^
Yeah, that's another perfect example!
Poor Jean-Luc!
Yes, I know, he's worried that her feelings might get in the way, and I see nothing wrong with that either. He thought she was assigned to the Enterprise and he's actually surprised to see that she *requested* the transfer.
(What kind of behavior is this, btw? Who would want to serve under the man who's responsible for the death of a beloved person??? I wouldn't want to see the man who sent my husband to death, I know, it's not Jean-Luc's fault and all this, but stil, I wouldn't want to see that man every day. Bev is just strange when it comes to that, IMO).
What I see as wrong is her way of responding. She's almost ushering him out of sickbay, and he's only concerned about her. She's basically telling him to shut up and mind his own business - and he's just concerned and tries to be friendly. He's trying to get her off the Enterprise because he's worried, not because he doesn't want to have her around, and yet she's reacting as if he'd ask her to leave without a reason.
She should know that Jean-Luc's feeling very uncomfortable when it comes to Jack's death, so she could at least have *tried* to not mention it that directly. Must be painful to her as well, so why not just dropping the subject...
Yeah, that's another perfect example!
Poor Jean-Luc!Yes, I know, he's worried that her feelings might get in the way, and I see nothing wrong with that either. He thought she was assigned to the Enterprise and he's actually surprised to see that she *requested* the transfer.
(What kind of behavior is this, btw? Who would want to serve under the man who's responsible for the death of a beloved person??? I wouldn't want to see the man who sent my husband to death
, I know, it's not Jean-Luc's fault and all this, but stil, I wouldn't want to see that man every day. Bev is just strange when it comes to that, IMO). What I see as wrong is her way of responding. She's almost ushering him out of sickbay, and he's only concerned about her. She's basically telling him to shut up and mind his own business - and he's just concerned and tries to be friendly.
He's trying to get her off the Enterprise because he's worried, not because he doesn't want to have her around, and yet she's reacting as if he'd ask her to leave without a reason. She should know that Jean-Luc's feeling very uncomfortable when it comes to Jack's death, so she could at least have *tried* to not mention it that directly. Must be painful to her as well, so why not just dropping the subject...
It's actually fairly mature of her. She still likes and respects Jean-Luc, and she recognizes that what happened was not his fault. Remember, they were friends before. She also knows that he was avoiding her after Jack died, and she has forgiven him for that. All in all, I think Beverly comes across pretty well.Posted by MrsPicard:
(What kind of behavior is this, btw? Who would want to serve under the man who's responsible for the death of a beloved person??? I wouldn't want to see the man who sent my husband to death
I think she is a bit angry about the transfer. Presumably she wanted this prestigious post on Starfleet's flagship... understandably she is somewhat angry at the idea that Picard would ask her to sacrifice this simply because he thinks she's uncomfortable about the idea. It's typical Picard, somewhat high-handed and thinking that he knows best. I'd say she has the right to be briefly annoyed, even if he thinks that he's doing it for her bext interest.What I see as wrong is her way of responding. She's almost ushering him out of sickbay, and he's only concerned about her. She's basically telling him to shut up and mind his own business - and he's just concerned and tries to be friendly.
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It's actually fairly mature of her. She still likes and respects Jean-Luc, and she recognizes that what happened was not his fault. Remember, they were friends before. She also knows that he was avoiding her after Jack died, and she has forgiven him for that. All in all, I think Beverly comes across pretty well.Posted by MrsPicard:
(What kind of behavior is this, btw? Who would want to serve under the man who's responsible for the death of a beloved person??? I wouldn't want to see the man who sent my husband to death
It crosses my mind that she must be the source for Wesley declaring 'Captain Picard is a pain isn't he mom?'. They've not actually met (not since he was 5 anyway) and yet the kid has a very negative view of the captain. Has Bev been bad-mouthing Picard all these years? Criticising him to the point that her son has picked up on it? She answers him quite oddly "your father liked him very much", nothing about her own feelings.
If Beverly is handling the situation maturely then it's taken her a while to deal with it and she's poisoned her son's mind in the meantime.
^ Fair points though I wonder where Wes has been all these years if he thinks he can have access to a ship's bridge. Surely this isn't a Picard rule but more general to starfleet? The bridge should be a restricted area on any ship: children and livestock have no reason to be there.
I still think Wesley said 'he's a pain isn't he Mom?' in a way that implied he was picking up on something she'd said and was seeking her approval by repeating it.
I still think Wesley said 'he's a pain isn't he Mom?' in a way that implied he was picking up on something she'd said and was seeking her approval by repeating it.
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