It was alternate universe P/C mostly. There's some in "Q-in-law" as well, although not much. Perhaps you have those two confused though?
P/C run amok...
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I also wonder whether you're thinking of the right novel. It would be difficult to miss the P/C in this one... HOT SEX and all.
(Although AU to be sure; but the implication is that they belong together in every universe.)
Glad you enjoyed it! It strikes me that The High Ground is the one that redefines their relationship for the rest of the show, after the hiatus in season two. It's much less explicitly leading towards anything than The Arsenal of Freedom, AKA The Other Cave Show, but it sets up the more subtle, more grown-up relationship that they had later on. Oh well.
I agree that the joint concern for Wesley is important for them. This, again, is something that we didn't see too much of in season one. Think of Justice or even When the Bough Breaks; in the former, Picard didn't seem concerned about Wes at all; in the latter, he did, but only in a theoretical sense, as he was for all the children, rather than personally. Perhaps it was having Wesley around for a whole year without his mother as a distraction? Perhaps just that the boy is growing up? Either way, this sets up Picard's continuing to act in loco parentis for Wesley, which reaches its peak in The First Duty.
The other thing that's interesting about this one is the different way that Jean-Luc and Beverly react to captivity, and to their captor. Part of it is that Beverly was taken hostage first, and thus got to know Finn on an individual level. Part of it is that Finn was obviously taken with her, so she got special treatment. And part of it is just the difference in their personalities.
So it makes me wonder: if they had been in a more drawn-out hostage situation, with interrogations and the like... would Finn have been able to put a wedge between them? In other words, would they have presented a united front, or would Beverly, continuing to sympathise with the terrorists on some level, have been successfully divided from Picard? The psychological dynamics would have been very, very interesting if they had taken this one further. Chain of Command with two instead of one, and with a less overtly evil captor. Anyone find this an interesting idea? Fanfiction possibilities here...?
Actually I think a key factor is why they were taken hostage by Finn in the first place. Bev was picked up for her skills as a doctor. She can push Finn a bit because he wants her help (although I'm sure he'd get rid of her if she was too much trouble). Consequently she enjoys a certain licence. Picard's position on the other hand is much more vulnerable. He's just a hostage, a high ranking Starfleet officer. Finn wants nothing apart from the fireworks holding Picard causes. Killing Picard would cause just as many fireworks – he really doesn't matter to Finn – so I think it's natural that he's more escape minded.
I think we're supposed to believe that Bev makes up her mind in that 'if the positions were reversed' speech. Perhaps she was falling for Finn’s single-mindedness before then, but when pushed to compare the two men's moral codes, she makes her choice pretty clear.
I can't help wondering how much we are supposed to think Finn is Beverly's type?
About the Picard and Wesley relationship, I think that that started in "Samaritan Snare".
I don't think that we are supposed to think so, really. She may be a bit flattered by the portraits, but that's all. Really it's about the psychological effects of being a captive... an exploration of the Stockholm syndrome rather than a quasi-romance. Sorry to disappoint you.
In other news, a friend drew my attention to a fairly new P/C website. There is a collection of exclusively P/C screencaps, and a couple of music videos. I especially liked "Lonely No More," and it's very good to see that *someone* is making them!
Actually, I do find this whole episode very interesting for it's political context. I think someone said it was banned in the UK/Ireland because of it's mention of Irish unification (I wonder if the ST writers were pro Irish unification...just a thought. I'm from Northern Ireland, by the way 
). Of course, given current affairs, you could argue it's just as applicable for the whole Middle East/ Iraq issue. Wouldn't this episode have made a good P/C movie? *sigh*
). Of course, given current affairs, you could argue it's just as applicable for the whole Middle East/ Iraq issue. Wouldn't this episode have made a good P/C movie? *sigh*I think it's specifically Data's line about the Irish terrorists achieving their objectives which put the BBC off. I don't know why they didn't just take that line out, really.
I suspect that the writers were pro-Irish unification in a vague Hollywood liberal sort of way. They did a very good job in that episode of showing both sides of the issue, though, in a very sympathetic way. And I agree, it is shocking how applicable it still seems to the Middle East.
A P/C movie? Now there's a thought. I do think the episode could have been extended; if you had merged "Chain of Command" with "The High Ground," it would have made an excellent action-filled, controversial, character-developing movie. I suspect that you could introduce the P/C theme fairly well in a movie without needing much backstory. Captives... romance... a charismatic terrorist... it has all the makings of a blockbuster!
A P/C movie? Now there's a thought. I do think the episode could have been extended; if you had merged "Chain of Command" with "The High Ground," it would have made an excellent action-filled, controversial, character-developing movie. I suspect that you could introduce the P/C theme fairly well in a movie without needing much backstory. Captives... romance... a charismatic terrorist... it has all the makings of a blockbuster!
Another question for you all: do you consider that season 1 P/C is a worthwhile chapter of the relationship, or would you prefer that they had used the more mature style of the later seasons from the start?
You're good at these questions, Grizzly!
To answer it, I've always liked the season one P/C. My only reservation is the way that Beverly is made to sometimes look a bit silly, the lovelorn doctor pursuing the totally oblivious starship captain. But in general, I enjoy the greater energy of the first season scenes. It was before they had settled down into their companionable, somewhat bland 'friendship'. They still openly acknowledged their tentativeness and discomfort around one another, stemming from their past; there was all of that bickering, with Beverly shown as the one person on board who knew him well enough to stand up to him; there was some open flirting; and some nice long gazes. On the whole, I think it had a freshness that later seasons lacked, even when they did do P/C. And of course, it had a greater concentration of P/C in general. I think the writers were planning to do something with the relationship a lot more quickly, and were puzzled what to do with Beverly when they couldn't do that.
To answer it, I've always liked the season one P/C. My only reservation is the way that Beverly is made to sometimes look a bit silly, the lovelorn doctor pursuing the totally oblivious starship captain. But in general, I enjoy the greater energy of the first season scenes. It was before they had settled down into their companionable, somewhat bland 'friendship'. They still openly acknowledged their tentativeness and discomfort around one another, stemming from their past; there was all of that bickering, with Beverly shown as the one person on board who knew him well enough to stand up to him; there was some open flirting; and some nice long gazes. On the whole, I think it had a freshness that later seasons lacked, even when they did do P/C. And of course, it had a greater concentration of P/C in general. I think the writers were planning to do something with the relationship a lot more quickly, and were puzzled what to do with Beverly when they couldn't do that.
^It's like Captain Picard was so clueless. She's making some fairly obvious passes at him, and he's missing it. Or perhaps he's seeing clearly and doesn't want to admit it.
Yeah, he's pretty clueless. I can understand him not noticing her interest immediately, given that he started off thinking of her only as his best friend's wife. I can even understand him ignoring what happened in The Naked Now, figuring that it was just the virus talking, and not her real feelings. But after The Big Goodbye? That was practically a date! She was wiping lipstick off of his face! There was sustained gazing going on! After that, he just had to be consciously refusing to admit it. Oh, Jean-Luc. 
By the way, I've posted a little P/C vignette in the fanfic forum. It's a scene that could have happened in The Game... how Beverly got him to try Riker's game.
By the way, I've posted a little P/C vignette in the fanfic forum. It's a scene that could have happened in The Game... how Beverly got him to try Riker's game.
Here's a little artistic effort of my own, which has actually turned out a little better than I expected ...
^ Nice! 
thanks, I'm pretty pleased with it. Picard's quite a lot lighter than Crusher, but this could be put down to some moonlight falling on him or something. Either that, or he's got one of those artificial sun tans ...
Very nice, Grizz! Great job.
Wow! Grizzly, you're very talented! It's extremely convincing, and very nicely put together. I recognize the picture of Picard, of course, but I can't figure out where you got Bev from. It doesn't look quite like Cause and Effect. Is it pieced together?
Only two not-very-critical comments. The serious one: the bridge of her nose looks a little odd, almost as if she's a Bajoran. The un-serious one: why is she clothed when he's naked? Ah well, that's Bev, always unpredictable...
EDIT: Oh, and nice signature, Ohappydagger.
Only two not-very-critical comments. The serious one: the bridge of her nose looks a little odd, almost as if she's a Bajoran. The un-serious one: why is she clothed when he's naked? Ah well, that's Bev, always unpredictable...
EDIT: Oh, and nice signature, Ohappydagger.
The Crusher screencap was this one, from "Cause And Effect". I mostly just overlayed Picard onto it, although I also moved one of her hands into view. I hoped that flipping the picture horizontally would make it look more like new material.
I think that the slightly odd effect on her nose is because light is falling on it in the original picture, which got carried through.
As to the other point ... he might be wearing shorts of course! I guess that it would have matched better if he was wearing bed robes, but I was limited in my options. It's a matter of luck that two screencaps from the same relative angle exist, as I don't have the skill to do much manipulation.
I think that the slightly odd effect on her nose is because light is falling on it in the original picture, which got carried through.
As to the other point ... he might be wearing shorts of course! I guess that it would have matched better if he was wearing bed robes, but I was limited in my options. It's a matter of luck that two screencaps from the same relative angle exist, as I don't have the skill to do much manipulation.
Ah, I see, I think it was the mirror reversal that confused me.
As for the clothes comment, it was intended as a character observation rather than an artistic criticism. I think the picture looks fantastic, and I will forgive Jean-Luc for not wearing shorts.
I'm seeing avatar potential here. Would you care to make one for me, perhaps with captioning?
As for the clothes comment, it was intended as a character observation rather than an artistic criticism. I think the picture looks fantastic, and I will forgive Jean-Luc for not wearing shorts.
I'm seeing avatar potential here. Would you care to make one for me, perhaps with captioning?
I could give it a try, but I've had problems with making avatars in the past. Either they get blurred as I shrink them down to size, or I find that they have too many K, like this one ... 
I've certainly no objection if you want to make an avatar from it yourself, or commission someone else for the challenge.
EDIT: I had a go and came up with this, which doesn't look too bad ...
I lightened the picture up a bit, but the more I do that, the more obvious it is that it's two separate pictures put together. As I say, someone else could probably do a better job of it.
ANOTHER EDIT: Here's another try ...
This one comes out at 81k, while the other one comes at 3k. I just don't get that.
I've certainly no objection if you want to make an avatar from it yourself, or commission someone else for the challenge.
EDIT: I had a go and came up with this, which doesn't look too bad ...
I lightened the picture up a bit, but the more I do that, the more obvious it is that it's two separate pictures put together. As I say, someone else could probably do a better job of it.
ANOTHER EDIT: Here's another try ...
This one comes out at 81k, while the other one comes at 3k. I just don't get that.
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