^ Plus I doubt her tactical ability to come up with any alternate plan. She and an injured Worf were not going to storm the place, and it would require Kirk-like cunning and dumb luck to pull off any sort of rescue really.
P/C run amok...
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I wonder how many posts there'll be in this thread tomorrow ... 
So, while you're all sitting in the internet cafe in York...
Now that the 'franchise' (and it strikes me this morning that that's a horrible commercial word) is in hibernation, there may be a market for audio stories aimed at niche fan markets. It's happened with Doctor Who! And what better niche audience than the thriving P/C community?
Just think about it - a Picard/Crusher series, with scripts which give Gates McFadden as many opportunities to say 'Jean-Luc' with as many possible inflections as the audience might desire, as the winsome medical officer indirectly intimates her love, bearing each time the captain is distracted by a passing female archaeologist/engineer/cyborg matriarch/metaphasically irradiatee with patience of which only she is capable. There would of course be regular journeys into mirror universes where events took different courses, and Patrick could be despotically insensitive instead of benevolently so.
Just a thought...
Now that the 'franchise' (and it strikes me this morning that that's a horrible commercial word) is in hibernation, there may be a market for audio stories aimed at niche fan markets. It's happened with Doctor Who! And what better niche audience than the thriving P/C community?
Just think about it - a Picard/Crusher series, with scripts which give Gates McFadden as many opportunities to say 'Jean-Luc' with as many possible inflections as the audience might desire, as the winsome medical officer indirectly intimates her love, bearing each time the captain is distracted by a passing female archaeologist/engineer/cyborg matriarch/metaphasically irradiatee with patience of which only she is capable. There would of course be regular journeys into mirror universes where events took different courses, and Patrick could be despotically insensitive instead of benevolently so.
Just a thought...
I don't think that there's necessarily anything wrong with him - his priorities just might be misguided from the point of view of some students of P/C dynamics. Yet would it really be so enjoyable if they did get together? Furthermore, wouldn't our lives have been diminished by the absence of this thread?
^It would be enjoyable! Would've been great in TNG.
Posted by Matthew1970:
Yet would it really be so enjoyable if they did get together? Furthermore, wouldn't our lives have been diminished by the absence of this thread?
I've really enjoyed reading this thread but I'm not a P/Cer so haven't had much to contribute. Your comment made me want to say that I think you're right: I've enjoyed another ship, R/T over the years and I'm really glad they only got together in the (what I presume to be) final movie. All the speculation and debate has been much more fun.
Interesting, but... probably not. I'm sure that Gates McFadden would be interested in doing it; the chances that Patrick Stewart would do it are somewhere above zero, but not enough above zero to bear considering. The only way that you could make it work would be with a sort of "Beverly's personal log" format, where she confided her frustrations to her computer at the end of the day, but Picard never actually appeared on screen (as it were). Which would be an interesting format for one episode, but probably wouldn't hold up long-term.
Laughing out loud at this! You haven't read any exciting fanfiction recently that gave you this idea, have you?
The other thing is that TPTB really carried on the tease of P/C viewers for as long as it could humnaly be done in the show anyway. After seven years, they either need to get together already, or just give it up. I suppose you could have a serial about the early stages of an actual relationship, but that would take us deep into soap opera territory, rather than just skirting the fringes. Besides, some of us (and you know who you are!) just wanted them to have a fling anyway.
Sorry to disappoint you. This is not to say that I wouldn't buy such audio stories if they *did* come out. On the contrary, I would be the first in line.
Oh, and Willsbabe, I'm glad to hear that you occasionally enjoy the thread! We had this crisis of confidence while in York, wondering if everyone else just passes it by and rolls their eyes, but it's good to know that we're providing some entertainment at least. I would probably post in an R/T thread too, if you started one...
We've probably mentioned this before, but whereas R/T had that whole imazdi thing going for them, P/C really doesn't and shouldn't be construed as a One Great True Love. Call me a hopeless cynic, but I'm not sure I believe in OTGL in the first place. Actually I'm not sure Jack counts as OGTL either. Had he lived, would the Crushers still be a happy couple? I doubt it. They seemed to have rushed into marriage at a very early age whilst embarking on intensive careers that would naturally drive them apart.
Surely that relationship couldn't have lasted very long anyway?
Posted by WillsBabe:
I've really enjoyed reading this thread but I'm not a P/Cer so haven't had much to contribute. Your comment made me want to say that I think you're right: I've enjoyed another ship, R/T over the years and I'm really glad they only got together in the (what I presume to be) final movie. All the speculation and debate has been much more fun.
I'm one of those people who like to reconstruct the intentions of the writers - while I couldn't classify myself as a 'shipper', plans for the relationship arcs in TNG oscillated wildly as the season progressed.
Of course, if you really wanted you could say that the films aren't canonical and leave the R/T story forever open-ended..., just like P/C.
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On the contrary, I would be the first in line.
To buy them? I thought you might write them!
Never written a radio play before; there are other people who have more experience with the format.Posted by Zephyr:
now that I want to see.Posted by Matthew1970:
To buy them? I thought you might write them!Posted by Naraht:
On the contrary, I would be the first in line.
Still, it's an intriguing concept. Perhaps we could make it a P/C thread group project...?
Do I believe in the concept of OTGL? Probably not; certainly I don't see the P/C relationship in those terms, although I know that many, many P/C shippers do. This is why they often do grave injustices to the underappreciated Jack Crusher.
As for Jack and Bev, canonically, we really don't know enough about them to judge the quality or durability of their relationship. I do agree that they had a lot against them. As you said, they did marry and start a family very young, and they're both ambitious career people who would not have been likely to subordinate their goals to their partner's. They seem to have lived their lives in the belief that they could have it all, and were very tragically proved wrong.
Does that mean that it couldn't have worked out if Jack had lived? I don't think so. There would inevitably have been some rocky times and adjustments and compromises to make, of course. Beverly is a very intense and high-needs person, I think, so Jack would have to have a good head on his shoulders.
But when it comes down to the events of the series, it doesn't really matter whether or not Jack was Beverly's One True Love, or even whether or not it would have worked out. What matters is that Beverly clearly BELIEVES that Jack was the love of her life, and remembers him that way. A good portion of her problem is that she's not willing to give that space in her heart to anyone else. She continues steadfastly to mourn him.
Mourning for Jack and so not prepared to make any sort of commitment to anyone else. Hmm. We have seen her with other men since his death though. She seemed happy with Odan. I thought she dumped him because 'he' became a 'she' rather than anything to suggest I'm mourning my dead husband?
Odan, whatever Beverly thought at the time, was A Fling. She'd just packed her son off to the academy, she was ready for a little fun. If she had started a relationship with Picard, she would have had to commit to it from the start; the penalties for failure would have been worse, so she would have had to be sure about it.
That's my take, anyhow.
That's my take, anyhow.
Quite a serious Fling given that she was prepared to sleep with Riker in order to be with Odan. But even if it was done lightly, isn't that more of a betrayal to Jack's memory?
I'm going for the standpoint that she's over Jack, it's just she has issues with Picard personally that she doesn't have with any other man.
I'm going for the standpoint that she's over Jack, it's just she has issues with Picard personally that she doesn't have with any other man.
^ Well despite my sig I don't actually think it’s an issue related to Jack.
I think Crusher's main issue with Picard is that she knows he is not Mr Commitment. She might not have got the full juice on why he ran out on Janice Manhiem, but there's plenty of other examples (Vash, Nella, Anij) to force her to understand that he's rubbish at this sort of thing. It just doesn't last. Even though he admitted to actually loving Bev for a time, he then told he'd got over it. That's just not the sort of thing a girl wants to hear.
Perhaps it took a while for her to understand this (all that mooning about in season one), but when she came back from Starfleet Medical, she'd got his number.
I think Crusher's main issue with Picard is that she knows he is not Mr Commitment. She might not have got the full juice on why he ran out on Janice Manhiem, but there's plenty of other examples (Vash, Nella, Anij) to force her to understand that he's rubbish at this sort of thing. It just doesn't last. Even though he admitted to actually loving Bev for a time, he then told he'd got over it. That's just not the sort of thing a girl wants to hear.
Perhaps it took a while for her to understand this (all that mooning about in season one), but when she came back from Starfleet Medical, she'd got his number.
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