I wouldn't expect the more mature Picard to sleep with her unless he held deep feelings for her however ...
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I disagree. He is more mature and just has more complex experience of relationships. Young Picard is the f**k 'em and chuck 'em type. Older Picard can handle a relationship based on friendship. I'm pretty sure there is some middle ground between pure sex for it's own sake and sex based on romantic notions of love.
Besides Q said his actions wouldn't hurt anyone else, so why not? She definitely started it.
Besides Q said his actions wouldn't hurt anyone else, so why not? She definitely started it.
Myself, I'd have thought the idea that Q could easily be watching him might have put him off. For that matter, Batanides may have been an extension of Q! I find his actions there slightly out of character, and to me it would take very strong feelings on his part for him to act that way.
I do wonder where Batanides is in the usual time frame ...
I do wonder where Batanides is in the usual time frame ...
This is the major problem that I have with Tapestry. We don't really see any consequences to his actions because we've never heard of the other characters. Who cares if he alienates Corey or sleeps with Marta? He obviously didn't stay friends with either of them anyway.
It would be much more meaningful if the other two cadets involved were... say... picking names totally at random here... Jack Crusher and Beverly Howard. It would seem more messed up and tragic when the timeline started to go wrong.
Understand, I'm not saying this because I object to Picard having had a thing for Marta. He's allowed to have other women from his past whom he fancied but didn't get together with. There's no way in which that impairs his unrequited feelings for Beverly. After all, she was happily married, and still has feelings for Picard.
Rather, I just think Tapestry doesn't give us enough reason to care about Picard's random cadet friends. Hence, my latest fanfiction project, about which you will doubtless be hearing more at some point.
It looks like you've got a pretty good story idea there. We shall await with interest ...
We'll expect you read the story aloud at the fifth UK meet-up. 
The smart money says they died of course. If they were still alive I'm sure Picard would be in touch somehow.
Was Miranda Vigo still alive in "Bloodlines"? I haven't watched that one for a while.
^ Nope, she's brown bread too. They all die. 
Perhaps Bev's gap years have saved her?
Perhaps Bev's gap years have saved her?There was that Archeology guy in "The Chase" as well! I hadn't noticed this unfortunate pattern before ...
^ almost anyone who starts an episode saying "Hello old friend" is marked for death. If they call him Jean-Luc they never get past the first commercials.
Q seems to be the only one who can get away with it.
/\ That sequence could make a nice avatar ...
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Exactly. But why is this? Is it just that the guy is a really bad actor, and thus he's better at playing someone when they're dead? (Which isn't exactly that hard.) Or is just something about the way that the character has been presented that we find his death intrinsically more convincing than his life?Posted by mon capitaine:
^ and more convincing I thought. Bring on those Dead Like Jack piccies.
The Jack Crusher in Family just really failed to grab my belief. I actually found that to be the weakest of the three storylines in that episode. Maybe it's because he seems so distant, so other wordly, but really, I've seen thowaway holodeck characters with more spark of interest in them. (Plus he's way too young.)
It definitely is the weakest of the storylines. But I refuse to accept that it's because he's too young. If someone is an interesting and worthwhile person, that ought to be just as evident when they're twenty-five. The problem is that he seems to disembodied, just standing there in the holodeck talking into empty space, with the grid lines all around him. It's almost as if we feel Jack's absence more when this pale simulation of the real man is present.
But we've been over all this before. I just refuse to accept that is what Jack was really like. Somebody posted this picture in my "recasting Jack Crusher" thread a while back, and I find it much more convincing:
I suppose it's because he doesn't look at Wesley. It's just a recording, not interactive in the way other holodeck recordings seem to be. You'd think Wesley (of all people) would be able to spice it up a bit with some personality. Maybe they wanted to suggest the technology was more limited then? Anyway, it's just Doomed Young Father Syndrome to me.
I personally didn't think that the "holodeck" Jack Crusher was very convincing as well. I thought the acting was wooden, but like some said it could have been due to technology problems. 
Being a biology major, it irks me when I see the idea of genetics being ignored. I know this can sound like a petty complaint, but the actor that played Jack had blue/green eyes. Come on, if I were to believe that he was Wesley's father, he should have had brown eyes. Also... he was much too young, maybe a older looking actor (with brown eyes) with a better performance would have grab my attention more.
Just *my* two cents!
Being a biology major, it irks me when I see the idea of genetics being ignored. I know this can sound like a petty complaint, but the actor that played Jack had blue/green eyes. Come on, if I were to believe that he was Wesley's father, he should have had brown eyes. Also... he was much too young, maybe a older looking actor (with brown eyes
) with a better performance would have grab my attention more.Just *my* two cents!
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