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Smiling? I've got a few screencaps from that scene, and it doesn't look like they're smiling to me...
I do think that the point of the scene, as others have said, is that it represents Beverly's memories of what happened, fifteen years later. If there were other people there, she didn't notice them. There was just Jean-Luc, taking her to see her husband's body.
It's definitely an interesting scene, though. I think they were successful in making Picard look that much younger. I'm not so sure about Beverly; that hair looks a bit odd, even if it is Gates McFadden's own.
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I do think that the point of the scene, as others have said, is that it represents Beverly's memories of what happened, fifteen years later. If there were other people there, she didn't notice them. There was just Jean-Luc, taking her to see her husband's body.
It's definitely an interesting scene, though. I think they were successful in making Picard look that much younger. I'm not so sure about Beverly; that hair looks a bit odd, even if it is Gates McFadden's own.
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So I've got to ask: Why was Beverly thinking of Morgue Jack? Is she just as obsessed for her loss as Sisko?
The badguy (Jev I've looked it up now) only seemed to invade memories that were already running so we can't blame him.
I can only conclude Bev is just as hung up on Jack as Naraht is.
The badguy (Jev I've looked it up now) only seemed to invade memories that were already running so we can't blame him.
I can only conclude Bev is just as hung up on Jack as Naraht is.
I think so.Posted by mon capitaine:
I can only conclude Bev is just as hung up on Jack as Naraht is.
As I've said before, both Riker and Troi seem surprised by the intrusiveness of their flashbacks. Beverly doesn't. She's sitting there staring at her computer screen, and she just looks resigned, as if she's been through this all before.
Perhaps not quite as obsessed as Sisko though. After all, he actually had it out with Picard about Jennifer's death, didn't he?
Thanks for the warm welcome. I just hope my comments won't sound silly.
By the way, does anyone know why the last line of "Attached" was changed. I was over at the wonder of the web, aka TrekPulse and the last line read something like "I'm not afraid but I'm just not ready" or words to that effect. At least that line made a degree of sense within the context of the episode, indeed the series. The line which we did get, the infamous "maybe we should be afraid" was altogether odd. (It would have been grand had they gone with the whole addiction subplot). As it goes that last scene comes across as very odd and disjointed.
By the way, does anyone know why the last line of "Attached" was changed. I was over at the wonder of the web, aka TrekPulse and the last line read something like "I'm not afraid but I'm just not ready" or words to that effect. At least that line made a degree of sense within the context of the episode, indeed the series. The line which we did get, the infamous "maybe we should be afraid" was altogether odd. (It would have been grand had they gone with the whole addiction subplot). As it goes that last scene comes across as very odd and disjointed.
It seems like they wanted to move away from suggesting that the characters were going to have a relationship in the future, which the previous version would have implied I think.
Trust me, you couldn't get any sillier than we've already gotten.
As for Attached, the original story pitch went a lot further in exploring their relationship. The campfire scene was supposed to end with a kiss and a discreet fade to black, but apparently when Nicholas Sagan outlined the plot to the writing scene, when he said "and then they kissed," Michael Piller said "absolutely not".
Also, Beverly's fear over exploring their feelings at the end was originally explained as deriving from her worry that their intimacy was artificially exaggerated by the implants. So that's why she wasn't ready.
The changes from the final draft of the script just make it look as if they pulled even further back from that scenario at the last minute... Alas...
I did write a story, by the way, that tries to get a little bit closer to the original conception:
The Semi-Detached Couple
Re Violations: I don't think it's necessarily the case that she's thinking about Jack all the time. It could be the case that with both Troi and Riker in unexplained comas, she was thinking about loss again, a la "Remember me", which of course would equate to Jack.
By the way, who ever mentioned Jack's neck to head ratio thing, thanks. It was all I could see during "Journey's End" when it aired on Sky last week.
By the way, who ever mentioned Jack's neck to head ratio thing, thanks. It was all I could see during "Journey's End" when it aired on Sky last week.
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Hi y'all!
I've been reading this thread for a little while now; trying to catch myself up on all that's been discussed, and all I can say is 'whew'!
The much discussed P/C relationship thread has made me de-lurk and hopefully join some of these discussions. Your posts are ever so enjoyable to read and I'm glad the thread is on this board!
On a side note: Here's a little site (and shameless advertising) relating to P/C Stand Closer ...it would be great if anyone joined!
I've been reading this thread for a little while now; trying to catch myself up on all that's been discussed, and all I can say is 'whew'!
The much discussed P/C relationship thread has made me de-lurk and hopefully join some of these discussions. Your posts are ever so enjoyable to read and I'm glad the thread is on this board!
On a side note: Here's a little site (and shameless advertising) relating to P/C Stand Closer ...it would be great if anyone joined!
I love your handle BevHead 
Hi mrs_sideshow_bob, BevHead and all the other lurkers (you know who you are 
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I'm frankly surprised we've managed to keep this thread going so long and so reasonably civilised. There can't be that many episodes to discuss.
). I'm frankly surprised we've managed to keep this thread going so long and so reasonably civilised. There can't be that many episodes to discuss.
Thanks for the welcome mon capitaine.
Re: Running out of episodes to discuss......
Not likely in a thread that gave us the classic "Was Jack Crusher gay"?
Re: Running out of episodes to discuss......
Not likely in a thread that gave us the classic "Was Jack Crusher gay"?
Indeed, there are many possible tangents still to be explored. For instance: is there a correlation between the length of Crusher's hair and her physchological well being? Discuss ...
That would bring us dangerously close to another Bevhair thread though. 
But I utterly defend your right to sport it.
Hey! I'm not sure I like that sig.
But I utterly defend your right to sport it. I just kind of like the idea of making a joke out of the common critisisms of TNG. I can change it if you don't think that it works, though. My sense of humour is sometimes on a rather different wavelength to other people's ...
^ No sweat.
Going back to Attached (don't we always), I was wondering if it can be argued that Stewart overplayed the rejection at the end? It's pretty unclear what Bev means by her last line, but the way he blows out the candles and then stands there strongly suggests Picard thinks it all off and never going to happen.
I don't know what it said in the final shooting script but perhaps Stewart could have been a bit more contemplative for us instead?
Going back to Attached (don't we always), I was wondering if it can be argued that Stewart overplayed the rejection at the end? It's pretty unclear what Bev means by her last line, but the way he blows out the candles and then stands there strongly suggests Picard thinks it all off and never going to happen.
I don't know what it said in the final shooting script but perhaps Stewart could have been a bit more contemplative for us instead?
I don't know, he might have thought that given what they'd just been through, if she turned him down at that point then they'd never get together.
I read somewhere that Stewart had indeed played it as a full on rejection. I think he said something along the lines that for Picard to ask to take the relationship further was a big thing and that Beverly's rejection equated to a slap in the face. That's appallingly worded on my part but the general gist is that his ego was hurt.
I'm sure there's someone here who'll be able to find the exact quote
I'm sure there's someone here who'll be able to find the exact quote
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