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Overly Emotional Vulcans: Why?

Re: Emotional Vulcans Galore: Why?

I'm not above admitting that I'm wrong: the thread title was evidently misleading. I can't change it now, it should have been: "Overly Emotional Vulcans: Why?".

Either way, you all make good points, and indeed you've helped me seeing ENT Vulcans in another light, as members of a decaying society. In some ways it's the same theme we saw in TNG and DS9 with the corrupted Klingon Empire.
I quite like antiquityscion's idea of emotions perceived on Vulcan as sex was in Victorian England. I agree with it, if we're talking about the pre-Awakening Vulcans. After all, if they strayed from Surak's teaching, it makes sense that along with mind melds and other subtleties they also exercised a looser control over their (powerful) emotions. I'd say that after that, Surak's teachings were observed much more closely and exaggerated emotivy was frowned upon in a much clearer way (see Sybok's exile and Tuvok's troubles as a teenager.)

Still, I see V'Las behaviour as exaggerated and sometimes borderline idiotic. He's far more emotional than the other Vulcans in the show, he'd be emotional even for being a Romulan or a Human. I mean, personally, I'm more Vulcan than he is, and I'm Human and Italian into the bargain (passionate people, they say.) I see it as a poor choice, because I'm ready to admit - and even to like - the idea of a corrupted Vulcan where emotions surface more often and Vulcans act more emotively; but I'm not ready to like such an exaggeration in such a highly-placed Vulcan. V'Las wanted to bring about the reunification with the Romulans; in the long term he probably wanted to advocate a more 'emotional' Vulcan society, abandoning Surak's teachings altogether, perhaps. It makes sense. What doesn't make sense to me, is how he forgot himself so much as to keep shouting angrily in front of others. We missed the opportunity, as said, to see the logical side of evil, and instead we got a commonplace cliché. A stereotypical bad guy.

But thank you for your insightful comments, they helped me understanding better how Vulcans are portrayed in the series.
 
Re: Emotional Vulcans Galore: Why?

I'm not above admitting that I'm wrong: the thread title was evidently misleading. I can't change it now, it should have been: "Overly Emotional Vulcans: Why?".
I can fix the title for you, if you like. I do think this has been a very intriguing discussion, whether it was what you expected or not. ;)

Still, I see V'Las behaviour as exaggerated and sometimes borderline idiotic. He's far more emotional than the other Vulcans in the show, he'd be emotional even for being a Romulan or a Human...
I would assume that V'Las's emotionalism was the director's idea. Robert Foxworth certainly knows how to act emotionless; he did a splendid job as the android Questor in "The Questor Tapes."

V'Las struck me as the personification of all that was wrong with Vulcan at this point in their history. The VHC was power-hungry and authoritarian, they suppressed dissent and ostracized those they considered "different" or dangerous to their objectives, they were devious and dishonest in dealings with other races, and their propaganda turned mind-melding into a "deviant" practice. It's easy to believe that V'Las, the most powerful man on Vulcan, wouldn't care what his underlings thought of him, such was his arrogance.

It's likely that V'Las and his motivations would have been explored further if the show had gone to Season 5. I'm sorry we didn't find out more about what made him tick.

I was really fascinated by the portrayal of Vulcans in Enterprise, and watching their "growing pains" en route to their becoming the Vulcans we saw in TOS and beyond.
 
Re: Emotional Vulcans Galore: Why?

I'm not above admitting that I'm wrong: the thread title was evidently misleading. I can't change it now, it should have been: "Overly Emotional Vulcans: Why?".
I can fix the title for you, if you like. I do think this has been a very intriguing discussion, whether it was what you expected or not. ;)

Still, I see V'Las behaviour as exaggerated and sometimes borderline idiotic. He's far more emotional than the other Vulcans in the show, he'd be emotional even for being a Romulan or a Human...
I would assume that V'Las's emotionalism was the director's idea. Robert Foxworth certainly knows how to act emotionless; he did a splendid job as the android Questor in "The Questor Tapes."

V'Las struck me as the personification of all that was wrong with Vulcan at this point in their history. The VHC was power-hungry and authoritarian, they suppressed dissent and ostracized those they considered "different" or dangerous to their objectives, they were devious and dishonest in dealings with other races, and their propaganda turned mind-melding into a "deviant" practice. It's easy to believe that V'Las, the most powerful man on Vulcan, wouldn't care what his underlings thought of him, such was his arrogance.

It's likely that V'Las and his motivations would have been explored further if the show had gone to Season 5. I'm sorry we didn't find out more about what made him tick.

I was really fascinated by the portrayal of Vulcans in Enterprise, and watching their "growing pains" en route to their becoming the Vulcans we saw in TOS and beyond.
Thank you, yes please do edit the title! And yes, even though slightly misunderstood I guess I triggered a VERY interesting discussion, may it continue!

Regarding V'Las, I should watch the episodes in the light of what you've told me (corrupted Vulcan etc.) I watched them through my TOS lense. I should wear my ENT spectacles I guess :mallory:
 
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The Vulcans in Amok Time were some of the most emotionally driven, irrational critters ever seen in Star Trek - and only one of them was in pon farr. :lol:

Vulcans have always been emotional - they just claim to be dispassionate, in much the same way that some churchgoers affect to be more moral than the people who don't attend the same services.
 
"When your logic doesn't work, you raise your voice?"

I think that line of Archer's epitomizes Enterprise's Vulcans. As Dennis says, Vulcans are often hypocritical, claiming to follow only logic when we know that's not true. The Vulcans in Enterprise were even worse than 'normal' Vulcans. I think it was an interesting idea to have Vulcan culture undergoing a schism, but I can understand some thinking it wasn't executed very well.
 
Just wanted to say -I know Enterprise gets bashed about but it did the Vulcans justice-about time as well. I always thought they had hardly a showing in TNG -and nothing but a few characters in DS9 and Voyager.

I thought Enterpise really added some history to the Vulcans and finally showed they had Ships and dealt with other races-even a war with Andorians.

Finally one of the orignal races was getting fleshed out

Well after Reboot I guess its all gone
 
Diane Duane fleshed out the Vulcans decades ago in Spock's World. Other classic novels like Sarek, Vulcan's Forge and The Lost Years detailed everything from the origins of Kolinahr to the Vulcan/Romulan schism, the life of Surak, Katric Arks and The Forge.

And it's not all gone at all. The world is gone, the culture is not. I wonder how many katras each of the elders who evacuated were carrying?
 
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