Outside The Galaxy?

[EliyahuQeoni]

Well, of course! Its CGI, so it must be better than the original...

And in fact, in this case it is.

No, in your opinion--not fact--in this case it is. The effects may be bad by today's standards, but were just fine 40 years ago. Personally, I never had an issue with them at all.

not to mention the fact that every time a reasonable person looks at it they have to ask "why don't they just go over or under it?"

True, but this problem really wasn't fixed by the new CGI. The barrier still looks like a relatively thin band that they could have gone over or under:

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The effects may be bad by today's standards, but were just fine 40 years ago.

Forty years ago, I liked them fine.

This is not forty years ago.

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

The effects may be bad by today's standards, but were just fine 40 years ago.

Forty years ago, I liked them fine.

This is not forty years ago.

Well, if you don't like 40 year old special effects, I recommend not watching 40 year old science fiction shows.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Well, if you don't like 40 year old special effects, I recommend not watching 40 year old science fiction shows.

Sorry, but I can't say that your "recommendation" in this case is of any value to me. I've been watching TOS in one form or another since 1966 and will happily continue to do so. :thumbsup:

 

[hellsgate]

I believe the Luna-Class U.S.S. Titan, Captain Riker & his new crew were accidentally & briefly booted free of the Milky Way, sent arse-over-teakettle 210,000 L.Y.'s out of their way to the Small Magellanic Cloud to meet up with the Neyel (among other races) in the novel, "The Red King".

Source: http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Titan_(NCC-80102)

 

[Timo]

The barrier still looks like a relatively thin band that they could have gone over or under

Remember Kirk's own words here:

Kirk: "Other vessels will be heading out here someday and they'll have to know what they'll be facing."

No matter what the shape of the Barrier, Kirk deliberately flew into it.

True, his supposed mission was to get outside the galaxy, and we might think he would sidestep these sorts of obstacles so as not to jeopardize his primary goals. But then again, we have no reason to think that the Barrier came as a surprise to Kirk and his crew. As many have argued, in the Trek universe it ought to be visible from a long distance away, and familiar to our heroes for that reason already. The original mission profile may well have been to fly deliberately to this well-known but rarely approached Barrier, test it, go a short distance beyond it, and then return.

I mean, it's not as if there were much to explore beyond the barrier as such. Not with the resources of a standard 23rd century starship as these are later defined to us, at any rate. I realize this wasn't a concern for the original writers, but we're discussing the greater Trek context here anyway. In that context, a mission to challenge the Barrier makes sense. A mission to get to Andromeda, or the Magellanic Clouds, does not.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

No matter what the shape of the Barrier, Kirk deliberately flew into it.

That does make a certain amount of sense. However, in By Any Other Name the Kelvan's ship was damaged by entering the galaxy via the barrier and they modified the Enterprise's shield's so that she could transverse the barrier so that they could return home. Why would they have flown into it on purpose if it was avoidable?

 

[Timo]

Good point. If they were going all the way to Andromeda, surely they could afford a sidestep even if it meant several years of additional travel.

And I do prefer the idea that the visual representation of the Barrier is some sort of a polarizing phenomenon that marks the presence of a 3D surface one cannot avoid no matter what. The thing would look like a horizontal band to any eye or camera watching it from close up. And even though the ship in the redone VFX banks and tilts even more wildly than the one in the original version, the camera stays level whenever we see this horizontal purple band...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

Well, if you don't like 40 year old special effects, I recommend not watching 40 year old science fiction shows.

Sorry, but I can't say that your "recommendation" in this case is of any value to me. I've been watching TOS in one form or another since 1966 and will happily continue to do so. :thumbsup:

Go right ahead. It just seems silly to me to want to watch something that was made 40 years ago and then complain that the effects are out of date.

And to get back to my original point, if you prefer the CGI FX to the original that is your opinion not a fact, as you tried to assert above. I--and I am sure I'm not the only one--am perfectly happy with the original effects. That is my opinion.

I do find it rather amusing that you quickly dropped the notion that the new effects plugged a plot hole when faced with the fact that this is blatantly not true.

And I wouldn't make such a big deal out of this, but stating your personal opinion as fact seems to be a pattern with you.

 

[Michael]

I — and I am sure I'm not the only one — am perfectly happy with the original effects. That is my opinion.

And mine, too.

 

[shatastrophic]

That wasn't the Milky Way in "The Nth Degree", was it?

Actually, it was. Near the galactic core to be more precise.

So pretty close to where Kirk and company went in TFF without any real time elapsing or any improvements made to the Ent-A. Amazing that Barclay needed to go on some technological mind bender to get them there 80 yrs later.