Ouch, My Prime Universe! (Spoilers!)
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The destruction of Romulus takes place eight years after Nemesis.
And Romulus is still there in the new reality. Either way, both universes are a little less pointy.
Its a just a &*(#%$%&%$! TV show and movie!
Repeat after me: The TOS episodes (or any other trek) are *NOT* historical documents!
Are people with these kinds of arguments ("Waaah.. it doesn't look like it was filmed on a bad 60's TV budget") posting from the Galaxy Quest universe?
I hadn't considered that. Sam was in the script and a young actor was cast to play him. I figured that the teenaged boy Jim passed while stealing the Corvette was Sam. The camera did seem to linger on him for a moment.
I didn't get that impression at all. There's no reason for Sam to have been on the Kelvin. It's not the Ent D. Their dialog was appropriate for a first or second son.
Well, in the books there is this other Romulan Empire right next to it. It's called the Imperial Romulan State and is lead by selfproclaimed Empress Donatra (who is pro-Federation).
So even with Romulus destroyed, the Romulan species should be fine.
At least, that's the Status Quo 6 years before the destruction of Romulus.
Nothing about their dialogue implies that Jim is their firstborn. What, parents don't get excited and name their secondborn children after folks?
That's an incredibly subjective statement. What looks "more advanced" to one person might look primitive to another. For example, the first generation of iMacs look, to me, much sleeker and more advanced and stylish than, say, a Dell OptiPlex. Yet the iMac G3 is around ten years older than the OptiPlex and had a hard drive that was only 4 GB big.
Unfortunately, Kirk yelling "Hey Johnny!" would indicate that kid wasn't Sam.
Oh God, here we go again! The debate of whether or not this new movie is an alternate reality or a new prime timeline will never end! The writers made it clear that this is an alternate reality so it should be accepted as such. Deal with it and move on.
Well in the books if they don't want to deal with Romulus being destroyed they can create (another) alternate timeline where Spock manages to save it after all in 2387 and everyone lives happily ever after. Preferably though I'd like to see the destruction incorporated into the overall storyline.
The 24C backstory for the movie was done in the Countdown comics (and, by extension, the STO backstory which incorporates the Countdown miniseries), plotted by the movie writers. Which contradicts the novelverse in various subtle and not-so-subtle ways (the most obvious is the fate of B-4 - where the Data persona fully takes over, his positronic brain is upgraded to be as good as Data's original body or better by Geordi, and Data becomes Captain of the Enterprise-E).
Isn't it vaguely ridiculous that Romulus would get fried and Remus would escape unharmed?Nero didn't know: they all moved to Remus, and are fine.
I liked the new movie a lot, I still prefer the Prime Universe and think it sucks we had to lose Romulus. I don't know, I guess I just want my cake and eat it too cause I didn't like losing Vulcan either. This is probably one of the few times where I really wanted a reset button and that's how I expected the movie to end, with everything going back as it should.
I agree. I think it's compelling. The destruction of Romulus doesn't mean the end of the Romulans, the same way the destruction of Vulcan doesn't mean the end of the Vulcans, in this new timeline.
How come no one was complaining when Praxis blew up in "Star Trek VI"?
"Dead Klingons everywhere! Oh, the humanity! Why did the producers have to kill so many aliens just to make the story interesting?"
What about all those poor Veridians that Soran killed in "Star Trek Generations"? What about the genocide of the Husnock by the Douwd in "The Survivors"?
Lots of aliens have died in "Star Trek" over the years.
The fact is that both Vulcans and Romulans were in this movie. I'm upset that there were NO Andorians. That is the real tragedy. That's like a "Star Wars" movie without Wookies. ...
"Dead Klingons everywhere! Oh, the humanity! Why did the producers have to kill so many aliens just to make the story interesting?"
What about all those poor Veridians that Soran killed in "Star Trek Generations"? What about the genocide of the Husnock by the Douwd in "The Survivors"?
Lots of aliens have died in "Star Trek" over the years.
The fact is that both Vulcans and Romulans were in this movie. I'm upset that there were NO Andorians. That is the real tragedy. That's like a "Star Wars" movie without Wookies. ...
There's lots of reasons why no one complained.
- Praxis was a moon used for energy production. I get the impression that it wasn't a highly populated Klingon colony.
- The destruction of Praxis actually contributed to the story in a positive way, in that it was the event that led to the opening of peace talks between the Klingon Empire and the Federation.
- The Undiscovered Country came out in 1991. Very few people even knew what the Internet was, and so there was no place for people to collectively complain about things. Or download free porn. The dark ages...
1. Praxis didn't take out the majority of the Klingon population.
2. No had heard of the Veridians before the movie. They had no history and no interest had been built up. The Vulcans (and Romulans) had a rich history on Star Trek.
3. See #2. In this case, we never even saw a Husnock.