Maybe it was still connected to Starfleet’s central database, at that point.
Other people find it cringe, but you don’t
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Maybe it was still connected to Starfleet’s central database, at that point.
The name plaque includes a couple of graphics from the Golden Record that were certainly added to the mock-up to visually explain how V'Ger found Earth. On the left side for the name is the pulsar map to Sol and the diagram showing Voyager leaving the third planet and slingshotting out from the fifth, and on the right side is a figure demonstrating continental drift, showing what Earth's landmasses were millions of years ago, now, and millions of years in the future.
I bet it was Tan Ru’s fault!
In the midst of their emergency launch, they forgot to disconnect it?!
Yeah, but then it would know the carbon units weren’t an infestation. Unless it interpreted the plaque as a cry for help, with a picture of the “problem”?
In the midst of their emergency launch, they forgot to disconnect it?!
Super advanced WiFi!
The Voyager 6 plaque just had the symbols related the planet's location and geography, nothing about the people on it (though the Pioneer plaque, with its prominent depiction of humans, flashed during Spock's mind-meld). I guess cost-cutting meant it didn't get a full Golden Record with photos and sound recordings.
I’m of two minds about Season 1. On the one hand, a lot of it is pretty crude, writing-wise. But on the other, the universe it implies is pretty great (no war in decades, people are generally evolved), and everything is wide open and hopeful and mostly pleasant — maybe that’s not great for drama, but I’d sure like to live there. Later seasons improved the writing but wiped away the qualities above.
The first time Star Trek used the 20th century spaceprobe plotline it was a nice little twist.
Blown up into a feature film it was underwhelming.
Yes, maybe the audience was moaning out of regret that we never got past Voyager 2.
I never registered this, but you're totally correct, and obviously the filmmakers considered it so V'ger would be unaware of its origins, but it's a nice little touch that never really gets mentioned.
I'd be willing to bet the majority of that audience never saw "The Changeling" or knew there were no Voyagers past the second, so I'm not entirely sure why either of those would be groan outloud cringeworthy.
I always wondered what those three ovals were next to the name, and finally figured it out after getting a book and CD set of the materials on the Golden Record, and then when the movie came out on 4K, I could distinguish that on the left side of the name was the pulsar map, which I think I'd just thought was more burn marks and damage. Now you can even see the fainter etchings, like the two circles representing hydrogen atoms that explain what the unit of time being used is above the pulsar diagram.
I have a lot of these.
Mudd's Women (Spock's comment to Rand aside).
Code of Honor and Outrageous Okana. Not great, obviously,,but not horrible.
Insurrection.
Section 31. Poor, but not cringe.
Troi's mom.
Kim & Mayweather.
Kirk's death in Generations.
It goes on. But on the flip side, there are other things that bug me way worse than most others, so I think it evens out.
Mudd's Women (Spock's comment to Rand aside).
Code of Honor and Outrageous Okana. Not great, obviously,,but not horrible.
Insurrection.
Section 31. Poor, but not cringe.
Troi's mom.
Kim & Mayweather.
Kirk's death in Generations.
It goes on. But on the flip side, there are other things that bug me way worse than most others, so I think it evens out.
There are many things I seem to defend because I love them, while many other fans find cringeworthy.
One that immediately springs to mind: "MOVE ALONG HOME". I think it is a genuinely good episode... even the hopscotch scene.
Hear me out on this.
The Wadi are about games and puzzles, and hopscotch is a game, and used here it's a puzzle, so it serves both purposes. That scene, along with what Sisko, Dax, and Bashir do throughout the game, illustrates Starfleet officers NOT relying on technology or gadgets to solve what they are going through... they just use their deductive reasoning skills and wits. I find that refreshing. (The reason I didn't mention Kira is because she isn't Starfleet, plus she tends to use her wits without the tech anyway.) It ties into the entire game of Chula perfectly. Plus, anytime Avery Brooks sings is a win.
Other aspects that make this episode very good:
1. We get another (early in the series, too) example of what Gamma Quadrant societies are like in general: very, VERY advanced technologically. To the point where many aspects are superior to Alpha Quadrant races. (This is a stark contrast to seasons 1 and 2 of VOY, where with very few exceptions, the races in the Delta Quadrant tend to be behind or very far behind Voyager. Only the fact she's alone makes the odds less favorable for that ship.) In a sense, we get a precursor to what BLACK MIRROR is... what happens with societies when technology gets out of control. In many cases, it appears rather dystopic.
2. This is the first time we see Quark as something other than a profit monger. He has a moral line, for lack of a better term. We see him genuinely remorseful at his actions possibly causing the deaths of people living on DS9. That is some real growth there.
3. While the makeup of the Wadi was lacking, their outfits more than made up for it. It was bright, cheerful, vivid... almost like a video game. Their style mimics their personality.
4. It's a great concept, ACTUALLY being INSIDE a game. How many of us have imagined what it's like to be inside a game and play it as if it were real life?
As long as I live, I will defend "MOVE ALONG HOME". For every eyeroll, disgusted sigh, or other indication of showing cringe that comes my way, I will simply say...
ALLAMARAINE!
One that immediately springs to mind: "MOVE ALONG HOME". I think it is a genuinely good episode... even the hopscotch scene.
Hear me out on this.
The Wadi are about games and puzzles, and hopscotch is a game, and used here it's a puzzle, so it serves both purposes. That scene, along with what Sisko, Dax, and Bashir do throughout the game, illustrates Starfleet officers NOT relying on technology or gadgets to solve what they are going through... they just use their deductive reasoning skills and wits. I find that refreshing. (The reason I didn't mention Kira is because she isn't Starfleet, plus she tends to use her wits without the tech anyway.) It ties into the entire game of Chula perfectly. Plus, anytime Avery Brooks sings is a win.
Other aspects that make this episode very good:
1. We get another (early in the series, too) example of what Gamma Quadrant societies are like in general: very, VERY advanced technologically. To the point where many aspects are superior to Alpha Quadrant races. (This is a stark contrast to seasons 1 and 2 of VOY, where with very few exceptions, the races in the Delta Quadrant tend to be behind or very far behind Voyager. Only the fact she's alone makes the odds less favorable for that ship.) In a sense, we get a precursor to what BLACK MIRROR is... what happens with societies when technology gets out of control. In many cases, it appears rather dystopic.
2. This is the first time we see Quark as something other than a profit monger. He has a moral line, for lack of a better term. We see him genuinely remorseful at his actions possibly causing the deaths of people living on DS9. That is some real growth there.
3. While the makeup of the Wadi was lacking, their outfits more than made up for it. It was bright, cheerful, vivid... almost like a video game. Their style mimics their personality.
4. It's a great concept, ACTUALLY being INSIDE a game. How many of us have imagined what it's like to be inside a game and play it as if it were real life?
As long as I live, I will defend "MOVE ALONG HOME". For every eyeroll, disgusted sigh, or other indication of showing cringe that comes my way, I will simply say...
ALLAMARAINE!
“Move Along Home” isn’t a great episode but it’s by no means deserving of the mantle it gets of “Worst. Episode. Ever.” Frankly, the episode next to it, “The Passenger”, is far worse because it’s incredibly dull and features an inexplicably awful performance by Siddig. At least MAH has ambition and a little excitement. It’s also the original Squid Games?!
Don’t ever mention it to Avery Brooks however
Don’t ever mention it to Avery Brooks however
I love Lwaxana.
Same here. Especially after "Dark Page". It explains so much of the 'why' with her. (And is why I always thought of Neelix and her as spiritual siblings.)
I consider "Dark Page" to be one of the top ten TNG episodes. Underneath the telepathic mystery box, it's Lwaxana facing the loss of her child, and bonding with Troi, dealing with life and its tragedies in a universal, non-sci fi way. Majel kills it.
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