^ However I don't think any reading of Starship trooper would allow for slave the honour of the federal Serivces(of couse I view Starship trooper[the book of couse] as being utopia miltarism and a strong vision of civic milialism)
Origins of the Terran Empire
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The Mirror Universe of Iron Horse stages Colonel Green and the Optimal States of America setting out to conquer a post-WWIII globe...
The MUS origin definitely suggests parallels to Nazi Germany and other fascist states. The way I've always seen it, there's also a "survival of the fittest" element. Imperial officers are perfectly willing to work together, and there's a definite organization. But this cooperation is only valid until your partner becomes a threat, and in that case you might be able to off him and claim it's a necessity. So it's not a universe where you can just stab them in the back cause you want to; the Empire wouldn't have much political power then.
It's kind of like the Decepticon forces in the original G1 Transformers universe. Most of them didn't have much love for one another and there were more than enough power-seekers, but they worked well as an army when they had to fight the Autobots. Same is true of many other evil organizations in fiction.
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In that case, the Holy Roman Empire would be spot on. The defeat of the Spanish Armada in 1588 was a most decisive battle that ended the supremacy of the Spanish empire.
If not for that, Spain would've controlled Europe as well as the New World. Protestantism would've been a fringe phenomenon, and the British Empire and republicanism would have never arisen.
The Spanish commanders were cruel and merciless, and thought nothing of razing cities to the ground (and killing every last woman and child) to force others into compliance.
Perhaps the doctrine changed over time? You bring up a good point, and one that was certainly true in the Star Wars series. The Galactic Empire had a very clear human bias when it came to command positions.
It's certainly been established that many of the alien races seen in the Empire-era MU eps are conquered. "Mirror, Mirror" offered no clear indication of what the mirror Vulcans are like, but "In A Mirror Darkly" suggests the alternate Spock is a fairly powerful individual.
One reason I like the MUS is the conflict between the two Spocks, which seems to be consistent with this view of the mirror Vulcans. The story takes place after TSFS, and Mirror Spock was sent to retrieve his counterpart because the secret to Genesis was in his revived biology. Mirror Spock had spent a lot of time contemplating our universe after his encounter with our Kirk, and had grown secretly jealous and hateful of his counterpart for being free to live as a true Vulcan, while in the MU Spock had to survive by treachery.
IMHO, the pseudohistorical origins of the Terran Empire are not derivable from the real history of Earth, because the underlying assumption for the Mirror Universe is that everybody is evil, lesbian and overacting. In a universe like this, the TE would inevitably emerge at every point of history, thus forming a long succession of despicable reigns. And the last one to power would always rewrite the history to indicate great ancestry and ancient origin...
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
Archer's statement could be qualified by the historical book-cooking that many totalitarian regimes engage in. I don't recall the name of the novel, but in the AU it described, China rose to become the world ruler sometime in the near term future. As its rule went on, its history books no longer said it was the United States, Soviets, and their allies that were overcome : China had ruled since its defeat of Rome. All I'm saying is, if anyone ever wanted to call out Mirror-Archer's statement in a novel, that's one way to do it. I even find it peculiar that Picard never suspected book-cooking when he read the MU's corrupted literature in Dark Mirror.
...Of course, we may also assume that each of the Mirror scenes we have witnessed has taken place in a slightly different parallel universe. There would be some common elements to each (Kirk, Spock), but several telling differences as well (do they have cloaks in the 24th century or not?).
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
If it were a German victory from WWII then surely 'Terran Empire' is the last thing they would call themselves? Das Reich von der Erde perhaps. (scuse the bad German but I don't know any.) The same goes for Chinese. Roman would use Terra but not empire, and so on.
While writing an xover fic between an apocalyptic AU I write and a friend's more standard (history-wise) ST universe, one of the first things the officers did was to tell the Captain, that, as best as they could tell, the universe they had entered did not 'correspond to any of the three known variants of the so-called Mirror World'.
The Mirror Universe, as depicted in TOS, used Klingon daggers, Klingon pain devices, the same Roman salutes used by Klingons, and promotion through assassination, which was later described as Klingon behavior in TNG. It was my thought that the Terran Empire was this universe's Klingon Empire, and came to be through some human version of Kahless. Don't know whom. Hitler would have made sense, since COTEOF presented the alternate universe in which the Germans won WWII. But, I suppose any megalomania-cal dictator could have done the job just as efficiently.
