Original effects or new?
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Which brings me to the question: Are those new blu-rays (the ones showing on the front page for today - 9/11/14) going to have the original as well as the remastered versions?
I don't think those are Blu-ray's. The spine says CBS DVD.
Well, the TOS production order marathon I just finished was *ALL* done with the new effects.
I love the new effects. It's still "new" to me, and I really found "All Our Yesterdays" to be quite haunting. (I have to check out the original ending since it has been many years since I've seen it).
I'm glad the Blu Rays have both versions.
But I have to tell you, I'm leaning towards the new effects at the moment...BUT...I have to say that I missed the original credits sequence throughout my TOS marathon.
I love the new effects. It's still "new" to me, and I really found "All Our Yesterdays" to be quite haunting. (I have to check out the original ending since it has been many years since I've seen it).
I'm glad the Blu Rays have both versions.
But I have to tell you, I'm leaning towards the new effects at the moment...BUT...I have to say that I missed the original credits sequence throughout my TOS marathon.
Your question is based on a false distinction between "remastered" and what you call "original" versions. The blurays feature the original FX as well as the new FX, but whether you watch with old FX or new, it's all been remastered in HD. The remastering was complete before new FX were added. The remastering and the new FX are two different things.
I haven't seen many episodes with the new FX. I like the new look to some of the planets. But, I am really disappointed with the new look to the Enterprise.
I'm not sure how to put it other than it looks too much like a toy. In regard to the Ship, even with the 60s limitations, I'll stick with the original.
Oddly enough, I don't recall feeling that way about its representation in Trials and Tribble-ations.
I'm not sure how to put it other than it looks too much like a toy. In regard to the Ship, even with the 60s limitations, I'll stick with the original.
Oddly enough, I don't recall feeling that way about its representation in Trials and Tribble-ations.
I expected to be generally angry about the New Effects, but somehow when I saw them they were generally fine to me. I'm not sure why; generally, I dislike revising works of art once they're published, at least in a reasonably canonical form. But the new effects felt, overall, right. I think it's that so many of them were pretty good about maintaining the original compositions and style; the ones I like least are the most divergent from Late 60s TV Style effects. I think it also helped that for stock footage, like, Enterprise Orbits The Planet, they would generally diverge to new angles or new compositions only for when the stock footage was repeated within an episode.
Of course that also kind of underlined how few effects the Original Trek actually had, compared to modern SF shows. When there's less than a minute of replaced footage and most of that is stock shots of Enterprise Is In Space or Enterprise Orbits A Planet it's shocking how much they did with so little.
Of course that also kind of underlined how few effects the Original Trek actually had, compared to modern SF shows. When there's less than a minute of replaced footage and most of that is stock shots of Enterprise Is In Space or Enterprise Orbits A Planet it's shocking how much they did with so little.
I prefer to watch the episodes in the 'enhanced' version/new effect.
It's probably because I grew up watching TNG, DS9 and VOY.
The first time I saw TOS, it was around '96.
The first time I saw TOS it just wasn't right.
A big communicator instead of a combadge, Captain Kirk and Scotty were wearing the wrong colors, gold instead of red and red instead of gold and the special effect where...
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate TOS and there are many episodes that I really like, even love to watch.
It's probably because I grew up watching TNG, DS9 and VOY.
The first time I saw TOS, it was around '96.
The first time I saw TOS it just wasn't right.
A big communicator instead of a combadge, Captain Kirk and Scotty were wearing the wrong colors, gold instead of red and red instead of gold and the special effect where...
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate TOS and there are many episodes that I really like, even love to watch.
This is generally how I feel. I favor the old effects on the whole for nostalgic reasons, but I appreciate that the new ones are quite sympathetic to the originals, almost faithful to a fault (unlike, for example, the Star Wars special editions). In fact, when I watched the TOS-Remastered version of "The Doomsday Machine" recently on a friend's home theater projector screen, I found it charming that there was a particular shot where the new CGI Constellation seems to wobble in space as if being spun on a string. Nobody on TOS-R was coming at it from the point-of-view of trying to update anything, it was always about preserving the charm of what the original effects had done as much as possible.
The revised version holds no interest for me, so I haven't seen much. What I have seen I mostly found to be an unpleasant clash with the overall aesthetic of the show, and one choice just bewildering (the shuttle takeoff in "The Galileo 7"). If the revised show comes on TV I won't stop and watch it.
There's some decent work in there. My biggest issue is that they look like they're constantly bouncing a spotlight off the Enterprise.
I finally got all the TOS episodes earlier this year, making the first time I'd had all the episodes in 20 years. The local used video store had them, and I got Seasons 1 & 2 with the CGI effects, my Season 3 is an earlier set with original effects. I sort of like it that way, as it does remind me of how the original effects helped make even the lamest stories special.
The CGI work is an interesting novelty. But having done crude 3d animation with an Enterprise model myself, I frequently see frame behavior I recognize when the camera is apparently aimed at and pans with the ship. The ship is a bit too shiny for my taste, and some angles with a light source bouncing off the upper saucer scream artificial, worse than a poorly done physical miniature.
So I find some of the CGI worthwhile as examples of what not to do. Other shots though, are beyond my skill level, so I sometimes marvel a bit at those.
The CGI work is an interesting novelty. But having done crude 3d animation with an Enterprise model myself, I frequently see frame behavior I recognize when the camera is apparently aimed at and pans with the ship. The ship is a bit too shiny for my taste, and some angles with a light source bouncing off the upper saucer scream artificial, worse than a poorly done physical miniature.
So I find some of the CGI worthwhile as examples of what not to do. Other shots though, are beyond my skill level, so I sometimes marvel a bit at those.
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If they'd lit the models to be more consistent with the rest of the photography on the show then I'd have fewer complaints... that and had they not attempted some of the wrongheaded and ridiculous ship movements in some episodes (I'm looking at you Klingon ship in, "Elaan of Troyius").
Yeah, a couple of the shots were really off putting in that episode. I'm not entirely keen on the updates done to the Tholian ships either. Would have prefered something closer to:
http://dragonpyper.deviantart.com/art/Tholian-Patrol-421371433
It's actually really strange. In some cases they were very very faithful, almost to a fault, with some of the effects work and shots, and then in other cases they did some really goofy things.
I think most of the new orbiting shots look fantastic, but I thought the Galileo launch was horrible. It looked like a Star Trek video game. The original FX scene actually looks pretty damn good in HD, aside from a wobbly starfield.
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