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Original Crew = A Step Back?

Re: Was the movie sexist?

I think you've been a member here for a few hours and already have a very specific attitude toward the moderators shutting down troublemakers - reflected in your sig "It is wrong for moderators to censor posts just for having viewpoints they disagree with."

This is even lamer than the attempt to get everyone worked up about "gay Spock." You are not good at this.
I've been reading these forums for years. It's very arrogant for you to judge me and very rude for you to insult me.
 
Re: Was the movie sexist?

I think you've been a member here for a few hours and already have a very specific attitude toward the moderators shutting down troublemakers - reflected in your sig "It is wrong for moderators to censor posts just for having viewpoints they disagree with."

This is even lamer than the attempt to get everyone worked up about "gay Spock." You are not good at this.
I've been reading these forums for years. It's very arrogant for you to judge me and very rude for you to insult me.

And you are monitoring this thread very closely from minute to minute in the attempt to get maximum mileage out of whatever consternation it creates.

Unsubtle and ineffective. :lol:
 
Re: Was the movie sexist?

I did not find it sexist. I do found the percentage of women too small. Especially those with miniskirts. :D Don't women go to the Academy or something?
I thought there were way more males than females in all of the bridge and action scenes.

Also, I saw no one stripping. Uhura took her shirt off, but that hardly constitutes stripping. So in what scene did the stripping take place?
That's the scene I was talking about.

And yes, the miniskirts. Finally something realistic (real women wear them too, you know) back in Star Trek after been taken out by feminist gangs. :D
Well I don't think the feminists were the ones who decided to replace them with catsuits. :lol:
 
Re: Was the movie sexist?

I think you've been a member here for a few hours and already have a very specific attitude toward the moderators shutting down troublemakers - reflected in your sig "It is wrong for moderators to censor posts just for having viewpoints they disagree with."

This is even lamer than the attempt to get everyone worked up about "gay Spock." You are not good at this.
I've been reading these forums for years. It's very arrogant for you to judge me and very rude for you to insult me.

And you are monitoring this thread very closely from minute to minute in the attempt to get maximum mileage out of whatever consternation it creates.

Unsubtle and ineffective. :lol:
Or maybe I am just reading responses to my questions?
 
Re: Was the movie sexist?

I've been reading these forums for years. It's very arrogant for you to judge me and very rude for you to insult me.

And you are monitoring this thread very closely from minute to minute in the attempt to get maximum mileage out of whatever consternation it creates.

Unsubtle and ineffective. :lol:
Or maybe I am just reading responses to my questions?

Sorry, you're busted.
 
Re: Was the movie sexist?

I think you've been a member here for a few hours and already have a very specific attitude toward the moderators shutting down troublemakers - reflected in your sig "It is wrong for moderators to censor posts just for having viewpoints they disagree with."

This is even lamer than the attempt to get everyone worked up about "gay Spock." You are not good at this.
I've been reading these forums for years. It's very arrogant for you to judge me and very rude for you to insult me.

To be honest, though, in the past day there have been numerous new accounts trashing the movie right off. You also need not take offense so quickly, as Dennis did not insult you, merely pointed out how well such things fit together.

You became angry and indignant too quickly.

J.
 
Re: Was the movie sexist?

Absolutely. The way Uhura treated her male crew mates was way over the top.
Maybe it's because they were recreating the original crew, but I thought that it was kind of weird how there were barely any female characters.
 
Re: Was the movie sexist?

I did not find it sexist. I do found the percentage of women too small.

Yep. Note to JJ: NEED MORE WOMEN. Only 3 women characters and 2 of them are now dead.

Uhura rocked. But we need more. Lets please have some strong female roles that continue on in the next one (not just a villain who dies).
 
Re: Was the movie sexist?

Was the movie sexist?

No.

It had a character dynamic it had to work with, and positions those characters needed to occupy.

As a matter of fact, I think Uhura had more story and helped in this movie almost as much as all the rest of Nichelle Nichols appearances put together! At least there was no horrible nude sand dune dance.
 
Re: Was the movie sexist?

I did not find it sexist. I do found the percentage of women too small.

Yep. Note to JJ: NEED MORE WOMEN. Only 3 women characters and 2 of them are now dead.

Uhura rocked. But we need more. Lets please have some strong female roles that continue on in the next one (not just a villain who dies).
Spock's mother, Uhura, and who else?

I thought that Winona Ryder was seriously underutilized, but that was because of the character she was cast as.
 
Re: Was the movie sexist?

Or maybe I am just reading responses to my questions?

Sorry, you're busted.
I think that you're trying to troll me, so I'm just going to ignore you from now on.

Guys, let's knock off this entire line of discussion.

It is off topic and non-productive.

However, T'Paul, if you are trying to get a rise out of the mods in this forum via your sigline, you'll quickly find yourself shit-out-of-luck.

Part of the reason the mods in here were appointed mods in this forum to begin with is because it's pretty damn difficult to get a rise out of us. Plus, after 18 months modding this place, believe me - we have seen it all, yet we are still here while others are not. Usually, any potential trolls will get themselves banned before they achieve their aims.

So my suggestion to you is to knock that shit off. It's not gonna work, and it is only making you look like one VERY suspicious n00b. Not really the place you want to be at, if you get my drift. ;)

You want to post about Star Trek, that's fine. But if you are here to troll this forum, it's members, or the staff of TrekBBS, I'll tell you right now - that idea is going to quickly prove to be a non-starter.
 
Re: Was the movie sexist?

I think you don't know what sexism really is. Women wearing mini-skirts and taking of their shirts do not make a movie sexist. Neither does a lack of female leads. After all, it was a movie of the TOS crew, and the core crew only had one woman to begin with.
I didn't detect any sexism in the movie. On the contrary, Uhura was a strong character, standing her ground.
 
Well, the darn movie has finally come out, and after seeing it two times (One regular, one Imax) I have the following things to say.

My fears of Star Trek taking a step back in the gender representation has unfortunately been well founded. Of all the female roles that were featured in this movie, only one was made to have any outgoing significance outside of dying. That character is, of course, Uhura. Literally the only female character in a cast of all male characters. And what does she do? Get a station on the Enterprise that limits her to answering phone calls and watching what goes on on the bridge.

Let me try to identify other female characters here as well.

- Winona Kirk. Gives Birth to James T. Kirk and after the opening sequence is only mentioned once and never seen nor heard from again. At least when Spock's mother died, Sarek was there for him. Kirk's mother? Not in the slightest.
- Amanda Grayson. Purpose in film is to simply get Spock angry at Kirk after her death. She is Star Trek's 1 of 2 WiR.
- Transporter Tech. Does her best to lock onto Kirk and Sulu but is booted out of her station by Chekov and is never seen again. You could say that Uhura booted that communications guy off of his station, but she didn't do anything once she took the post.
- The Orion Girl. Only purpose in the film is to show off some fan service. Is commissioned to a ship that is later destroyed and forgotten.
- Nero's Wife. The second WiR. Talk about throwing as many cliché elements into a character's tragic past just for making him angry. I was almost expecting Nero to list all sorts of convenient information that would make this more tragic. At least Khan's wife had a name.
- Romulan played by Lucia Rijker. The only female crew member seen in the movie has a role that's equal to "BLINK and you'll miss it".
- Mini-skirts. Iconic? Yes. Realistic? No.

Those left behind.

- Nurse Chappel. Was she even in this? Everyone says there's something in this movie that involves her but I cannot find anything remotely resembling Nurse Chapel or even a mention of her name.
- Number One. Not only is she the first female character in Star Trek, but also the first "First Officer" of the Enterprise. Do we get her? No, we get Chekov and Sulu. Why? Because we want as all of the original series' 2nd season and after characters.
- Carol Marcus. Instead of her being in the movie, we get the Orion girl. And why not? Carol was a woman of action and authority in Khan while Orion girls are pretty much just alien.......you get the picture.
- Kaleh. The other female member of the Romulan crew who does more work at her station in Countdown comics than Uhura does in the entire movie. After the Narada gets sucked into the distant past via the black hole again, she leads four other Narada crew members to try and warn Vulcan of Nero's still insane quest to eliminate Romulas' future threats. Can you believe this? The most interesting female character in the whole god-dang story isn't even in the movie. It's up to fan's interpretation of Canon whether or not she even exists.

If Fate and Destiny are absolute entities in the way our two glorious writers explain them to be, they're obviously sexist.
 
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Re: Was the movie sexist?

I think you don't know what sexism really is. Women wearing mini-skirts and taking of their shirts do not make a movie sexist. Neither does a lack of female leads. After all, it was a movie of the TOS crew, and the core crew only had one woman to begin with.
I didn't detect any sexism in the movie. On the contrary, Uhura was a strong character, standing her ground.
According to Random House:
sex⋅ism
1. attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.
2. discrimination or devaluation based on a person's sex, as in restricted job opportunities; esp., such discrimination directed against women.
Based on the limited roles women had in the film, according to that definition the film did have some sexism.
 
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