Would James T. Kirk still be the same person if the character was written the same way but played by an African-American actor?
How about if James T. Kirk was written completely differently and played by a British actor?
Yes and yes.
Would James T. Kirk still be the same person if the character was written the same way but played by an African-American actor?
How about if James T. Kirk was written completely differently and played by a British actor?
See I don't see STID as being written different. Sure, he's different from Derpy Khan in TWOK, but he's right in line with Space Seed Khan in terms of personality and style. STID Khan is what Space Seed Khan would have been had he won at the end of the episode.SeerGSB said:To put it another way: Would James T. Kirk still be the same person if the character was written the same way but played by an African-American actor?
How about if James T. Kirk was written completely differently and played by a British actor? Which of course was what happened with Khan, right?
(Of course Kirk's character was actually written quite differently in Abrams' movies...)
See I don't see STID as being written different. Sure, he's different from Derpy Khan in TWOK, but he's right in line with Space Seed Khan in terms of personality and style. STID Khan is what Space Seed Khan would have been had he won at the end of the episode.SeerGSB said:To put it another way: Would James T. Kirk still be the same person if the character was written the same way but played by an African-American actor?
How about if James T. Kirk was written completely differently and played by a British actor? Which of course was what happened with Khan, right?
(Of course Kirk's character was actually written quite differently in Abrams' movies...)
t to Space Seed? Yes, a little.
To put it another way: Would James T. Kirk still be the same person if the character was written the same way but played by an African-American actor?
Maybe, although it might depend on the story. There would likely be some differences that would creep in.
different from Derpy Khan in TWOK . . . right in line with Space Seed Khan in terms of personality and style.
Ryan8bit said:Khan was meant to be a villain that you sympathize with in the beginning of the story
All you need is a charismatic brilliant megalomaniac who doesn't mind killing people to get what he wants, who ruled part of the world until being driven off into space.
I doubt there would be.Maybe, although it might depend on the story. There would likely be some differences that would creep in.To put it another way: Would James T. Kirk still be the same person if the character was written the same way but played by an African-American actor?
An interesting interpretation, but I don't see it. Khan and his brethren represent Totalitarians with a healthy dose of Nazism/Fascism. He's not foreign and exotic to them, but primitive and brutal. An artifact from primitive and brutal time. I don't think Khan was having any trouble with the modern world. As he says in "Space Seed"Foreign and exotic to the culture most of the characters come from. In a practical sense Starfleet of course plays as Americans in space (yes, they have Chekov and Scotty and blah blah blah -- they're still Americans in space). Within the story he is of course, perhaps just as importantly, from an exotic time centuries gone. Space Seed is about his inability to adjust to the modern world.
Captain, although your abilities intrigue me, you are quite honestly inferior. Mentally, physically. In fact, I am surprised how little improvement there has been in human evolution. Oh, there has been technical advancement, but, how little man himself has changed. Yes, it appears we will do well in your century, Captain.
Take the Khan from Space Seed and put him under the boot of a "inferior" man for a year, and you get STID Khan.An interesting interpretation, but I don't see it. Khan and his brethren represent Totalitarians with a healthy dose of Nazism/Fascism. He's not foreign and exotic to them, but primitive and brutal. An artifact from primitive and brutal time. I don't think Khan was having any trouble with the modern world. As he says in "Space Seed"Foreign and exotic to the culture most of the characters come from. In a practical sense Starfleet of course plays as Americans in space (yes, they have Chekov and Scotty and blah blah blah -- they're still Americans in space). Within the story he is of course, perhaps just as importantly, from an exotic time centuries gone. Space Seed is about his inability to adjust to the modern world.
He isn't done in by the modern world but by Marla's shifting loyalties.Captain, although your abilities intrigue me, you are quite honestly inferior. Mentally, physically. In fact, I am surprised how little improvement there has been in human evolution. Oh, there has been technical advancement, but, how little man himself has changed. Yes, it appears we will do well in your century, Captain.
The Khan we see in STID is closer to the one we see in Space Seed. He is ruthless and brutal when needed, but also intelligent. He's not the scenery chewing, easily tricked Ahab we see in TWOK.
Take the Khan from Space Seed and put him under the boot of a "inferior" man for a year, and you get STID Khan.An interesting interpretation, but I don't see it. Khan and his brethren represent Totalitarians with a healthy dose of Nazism/Fascism. He's not foreign and exotic to them, but primitive and brutal. An artifact from primitive and brutal time. I don't think Khan was having any trouble with the modern world. As he says in "Space Seed"Foreign and exotic to the culture most of the characters come from. In a practical sense Starfleet of course plays as Americans in space (yes, they have Chekov and Scotty and blah blah blah -- they're still Americans in space). Within the story he is of course, perhaps just as importantly, from an exotic time centuries gone. Space Seed is about his inability to adjust to the modern world.
He isn't done in by the modern world but by Marla's shifting loyalties.Captain, although your abilities intrigue me, you are quite honestly inferior. Mentally, physically. In fact, I am surprised how little improvement there has been in human evolution. Oh, there has been technical advancement, but, how little man himself has changed. Yes, it appears we will do well in your century, Captain.
The Khan we see in STID is closer to the one we see in Space Seed. He is ruthless and brutal when needed, but also intelligent. He's not the scenery chewing, easily tricked Ahab we see in TWOK.
Take the Khan from Space Seed and put him under the boot of a "inferior" man for a year, and you get STID Khan.An interesting interpretation, but I don't see it. Khan and his brethren represent Totalitarians with a healthy dose of Nazism/Fascism. He's not foreign and exotic to them, but primitive and brutal. An artifact from primitive and brutal time. I don't think Khan was having any trouble with the modern world. As he says in "Space Seed"Foreign and exotic to the culture most of the characters come from. In a practical sense Starfleet of course plays as Americans in space (yes, they have Chekov and Scotty and blah blah blah -- they're still Americans in space). Within the story he is of course, perhaps just as importantly, from an exotic time centuries gone. Space Seed is about his inability to adjust to the modern world.
He isn't done in by the modern world but by Marla's shifting loyalties.Captain, although your abilities intrigue me, you are quite honestly inferior. Mentally, physically. In fact, I am surprised how little improvement there has been in human evolution. Oh, there has been technical advancement, but, how little man himself has changed. Yes, it appears we will do well in your century, Captain.
The Khan we see in STID is closer to the one we see in Space Seed. He is ruthless and brutal when needed, but also intelligent. He's not the scenery chewing, easily tricked Ahab we see in TWOK.
As well as a lot more time to get up to speed and plan. Versus a few days--tops--that he had in Space Seed.Take the Khan from Space Seed and put him under the boot of a "inferior" man for a year, and you get STID Khan.An interesting interpretation, but I don't see it. Khan and his brethren represent Totalitarians with a healthy dose of Nazism/Fascism. He's not foreign and exotic to them, but primitive and brutal. An artifact from primitive and brutal time. I don't think Khan was having any trouble with the modern world. As he says in "Space Seed"
He isn't done in by the modern world but by Marla's shifting loyalties.
The Khan we see in STID is closer to the one we see in Space Seed. He is ruthless and brutal when needed, but also intelligent. He's not the scenery chewing, easily tricked Ahab we see in TWOK.
Plus don't forget to add having a better understanding of Starfleet tach which actually makes him more dangerous and likely added to his being more ruthless this time around.
Odd comment. Sort of like reading the statement "take the Khan from Space Seed and put him on a hellhole of a world for 15 years, and you get TWOK Khan" and then responding Maybe, maybe not. According to Bennett and co, that's what you get.Take the Khan from Space Seed and put him under the boot of a "inferior" man for a year, and you get STID Khan.An interesting interpretation, but I don't see it. Khan and his brethren represent Totalitarians with a healthy dose of Nazism/Fascism. He's not foreign and exotic to them, but primitive and brutal. An artifact from primitive and brutal time. I don't think Khan was having any trouble with the modern world. As he says in "Space Seed"
He isn't done in by the modern world but by Marla's shifting loyalties.
The Khan we see in STID is closer to the one we see in Space Seed. He is ruthless and brutal when needed, but also intelligent. He's not the scenery chewing, easily tricked Ahab we see in TWOK.
Maybe, maybe not. According to Orci and co, that's what you get.
Odd comment. Sort of like reading the statement "take the Khan from Space Seed and put him on a hellhole of a world for 15 years, and you get TWOK Khan" and then responding Maybe, maybe not. According to Bennett and co, that's what you get.Take the Khan from Space Seed and put him under the boot of a "inferior" man for a year, and you get STID Khan.
Maybe, maybe not. According to Orci and co, that's what you get.
It's odd, because of course thats what Orci and co. would have you believe, they wrote it.Odd comment. Sort of like reading the statement "take the Khan from Space Seed and put him on a hellhole of a world for 15 years, and you get TWOK Khan" and then responding Maybe, maybe not. According to Bennett and co, that's what you get.Maybe, maybe not. According to Orci and co, that's what you get.
Maybe it is odd. But maybe if nuKhan was better realized, I wouldn't be so skeptical.![]()
Marcus is laughing at the superior intellect. Though Khan had the last laugh.^ But if Khan is so superior, how could he have allowed himself to be chafed? He should have used his so-called smarts to find a way to outsmart Marcus and get his "crew" to safety.
Well that's what he did, wasn't it? Granted it was a back and forth game between Marcus and Khan with the torpedoes:^ But if Khan is so superior, how could he have allowed himself to be chafed? He should have used his so-called smarts to find a way to outsmart Marcus and get his "crew" to safety.
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