Orb of Time question (looking for episode title)

[Captain Kathryn]

Hello,

I am looking to find out which episode this happened in, where the Cardassians contact Sisko and offer to return the Orb of Time to the Bajorans. I know it mentions Trial and Tribbleations etc below from Memory Alpha, but it does not specify which episode Sisko actually talks to Cardassia about getting the orb back (I feel like it was probably a convo with Dukat but I could be mistaken). Anyone happen to know off hand which episode that occurs in?

"In 2373, the Cardassian government contacted Benjamin Sisko and offered to return the Orb of Time to the Bajorans. Though a number of fake Orbs, in general, had cropped up over the years prior, this Orb taken from Cardassia Prime proven genuine. (DS9: "Trials and Tribble-ations") By 2374, this Orb was kept at the Temple of Iponu, on Bajor. (DS9: "Wrongs Darker Than Death or Night")"

Also super random additional question (sorry) but in the episode where Sisko and Ezri go to Tyree to find the Orb of the Emissary, do they ever explain what the Orb was doing on Tyree? I cannot recall they did?

Thanks!

 

[Christopher]

It happened offscreen before "Trials and Tribble-ations." The first mention of it was when Sisko told DTI agents Lucsly & Dulmur about it at the start of "Trials." Remember, DS9 was still mostly an episodic show, only occasionally serialized. So there was no setup in any previous episode.

 

[Captain Kathryn]

It happened offscreen before "Trials and Tribble-ations." The first mention of it was when Sisko told DTI agents Lucsly & Dulmur about it at the start of "Trials." Remember, DS9 was still mostly an episodic show, only occasionally serialized. So there was no setup in any previous episode.

Ok excellent thanks!!

 

[Captain Kathryn]

It happened offscreen before "Trials and Tribble-ations." The first mention of it was when Sisko told DTI agents Lucsly & Dulmur about it at the start of "Trials." Remember, DS9 was still mostly an episodic show, only occasionally serialized. So there was no setup in any previous episode.

Do you happen to recall why the Orb of the Emissary was on Tyree?

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Do you happen to recall why the Orb of the Emissary was on Tyree?

The wormhole alien who took over Sarah Sisko took refuge at Tyree once she had planted clues to her location.

 

[Captain Kathryn]

The wormhole alien who took over Sarah Sisko took refuge at Tyree once she had planted clues to her location.

Awesome, thank you!!

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

The wormhole alien who took over Sarah Sisko took refuge at Tyree once she had planted clues to her location.

Isn't it odd that "wormhole aliens" who had no concept of linear time would make an Orb Of Time™?

 

[Christopher]

Isn't it odd that "wormhole aliens" who had no concept of linear time would make an Orb Of Time™?

That's just what the Bajorans called it. Although it's true that the later seasons abandoned the whole "aliens existing outside of time" concept in favor of portraying the Prophets unimaginatively as standard-issue deities, in ways that rarely made sense in the context of their initial portrayal.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Although it's true that the later seasons abandoned the whole "aliens existing outside of time" concept in favor of portraying the Prophets unimaginatively as standard-issue deities, in ways that rarely made sense in the context of their initial portrayal.

Did they need to be, and were they really that inconsistent in the final seasons? Constantly reflecting on being outside linear time would probably grow old, and there was no need to mention it in every appearance of the prophets. While its true that the latter seasons also gave us more of a good-vs-evil mythology than before, the same types of temporal shenanigans continued. Indeed, Sisko's farewell--"Maybe next year, maybe yesterday"--is the same sort of strangeness of something that will and has happened, where both causality and retrocausality occur.

 

[Christopher]

Did they need to be, and were they really that inconsistent in the final seasons? Constantly reflecting on being outside linear time would probably grow old, and there was no need to mention it in every appearance of the prophets.

It's not about that. It's about abandoning the intriguing science fiction concept of something profoundly alien with abilities and perspectives that Bajoran culture interpreted through a religious filter, and replacing it with a very mundane, lazy set of stock Judeo-Christian mythological tropes, right down to a simplistic good-evil dualism and devils cast out of heaven. I mean, if all time is one and past and future are the same, how could any wormhole inhabitants be exiled from it? If they were ever there, then they're always there, by definition.

 

[Maurice]

I invented an Orb of Time before that for the videogame DS9—The Crossroads of Time (released 1995) because Paramount un-approved the previously approved game near the end of the schedule and I needed a mechanism to jump back to the Wolf 359 battle and back (originally it had been the first game level, and they said "no" when the game was basically done). So there was precedent...which I'm absolutely certain the writing staff was ignorant of. It's the obvious solution to DS9 time travel needs.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

lazy set of stock Judeo-Christian mythological tropes, right down to a simplistic good-evil dualism and devils cast out of heaven.

You mean Christian (there's nothing particularly Jewish about those concepts).

 

[Christopher]

You mean Christian (there's nothing particularly Jewish about those concepts).

Well, the dualism is a Western cultural thing that goes back to Zoroastrianism at least.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Well, the dualism is a Western cultural thing that goes back to Zoroastrianism at least.

So you meant Christian-Zoroastrian?