Not at all. I loved Aliens when I was a kid. As an adult I just like it. It's by far not the greatest sci-fi action movie of all time. Nor is it the best of the Alien series. But it is a cute, disposable action comedy. A Disney movie for adults.
Opinions on the Alien movies
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Not at all. I loved Aliens when I was a kid. As an adult I just like it. It's by far not the greatest sci-fi action movie of all time. Nor is it the best of the Alien series. But it is a cute, disposable action comedy. A Disney movie for adults.
1: Good-sort of confined/limited and not as stylistic as the second film, which I happened to see first
2. Awesome- my favorite of all of them so far. Love the visuals, the suspense, the James Horner score. Everything was pitch perfect IMHO.
3. Bad- my biggest peeve was that, by killing Newt & Hicks (as well as "impregnating" Ripley with an Alien, it pretty much made all of the conflict and struggle of the second movie seem pretty meaningless. Plus it was just dark and depressing with no real interesting characters and it has a crummy ending.
4. Never seen it though probably will at some point out of nothing more than curiosity.
2. Awesome- my favorite of all of them so far. Love the visuals, the suspense, the James Horner score. Everything was pitch perfect IMHO.
3. Bad- my biggest peeve was that, by killing Newt & Hicks (as well as "impregnating" Ripley with an Alien, it pretty much made all of the conflict and struggle of the second movie seem pretty meaningless. Plus it was just dark and depressing with no real interesting characters and it has a crummy ending.
4. Never seen it though probably will at some point out of nothing more than curiosity.
Re: When should you stop watching the Alien films?
I thought they completely wrecked 3 by killing off the kid, then Ripley. Ripley went through SO MUCH to rescue and bond with her, and then... she's dead before the opening credits? WTF? I've never seen more than ten minutes of it because of those clusterfucks right there.
Alien 4, caught bits of, I dunno, just didn't click, though there were some good sequences.
AvP, the idea could have been so cool, but again FUBAR.
Haven't seen AvP2
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I thought they completely wrecked 3 by killing off the kid, then Ripley. Ripley went through SO MUCH to rescue and bond with her, and then... she's dead before the opening credits? WTF? I've never seen more than ten minutes of it because of those clusterfucks right there.
Alien 4, caught bits of, I dunno, just didn't click, though there were some good sequences.
AvP, the idea could have been so cool, but again FUBAR.
Haven't seen AvP2
Re: When should you stop watching the Alien films?
Precisely!
Whilst Charles Dance was excellent as ever his character lasts about 5 minutes which says all you want to know about 3. Hicks was a great character, a young NCO who steps up to the position of leadership but is still funny, likeable, believeable and the growing attraction between him and Ripley is subtle and not cliched. He's a terrific character
Precisely!
Whilst Charles Dance was excellent as ever his character lasts about 5 minutes which says all you want to know about 3. Hicks was a great character, a young NCO who steps up to the position of leadership but is still funny, likeable, believeable and the growing attraction between him and Ripley is subtle and not cliched. He's a terrific character
If you've seen 3 go see 4, it's not a great film but it makes you feel much better about it's appalling predecessor.
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[/Quote;]Not at all. I loved Aliens when I was a kid. As an adult I just like it. It's by far not the greatest sci-fi action movie of all time. Nor is it the best of the Alien series. But it is a cute, disposable action comedy. A Disney movie for adults.[/Quote]
What sort of Disney films do you watch? Godzilla vs Bambi?
Re: When should you stop watching the Alien films?
Fixed,
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I guess you hate Captain Dallas too, huh?
He's a walking gun prop, nothing more. There's nothing to him.
Fixed,
.I guess you hate Captain Dallas too, huh?
He's a walking gun prop, nothing more. There's nothing to him.
Re: When should you stop watching the Alien films?
Clemens dies at the 1 hour mark. One of the regrets I've heard from almost everyone involved in the film is that they never figured out a way of keeping Clemens alive longer in the film.
Which one is Hicks, again?
Do yourself a favor and stick to watching Nickelodeon shows, you clearly don't have the stomach for realistic character death (where it's sudden and often meaningless).
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Additional note: These two threads should have been merged before now. I hesitated because I was unsure of the potential effect on the poll. Apologies for the delay and any confusion is may have caused.
Re: When should you stop watching the Alien films?
I need to see Alien 4 again. I've come to really like Jeunet's work and Whedon's but what a conflicted union. Jeunet is more visual and lyrical and Whedon is more character, snappy beats and dialogue. I'm sure I'm not using the best words to describe them but they are very different in approach.
Surely we can all agree on that, no?
I need to see Alien 4 again. I've come to really like Jeunet's work and Whedon's but what a conflicted union. Jeunet is more visual and lyrical and Whedon is more character, snappy beats and dialogue. I'm sure I'm not using the best words to describe them but they are very different in approach.
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Surely we can all agree on that, no?
Alien 3 was redeemed by the Assembly Cut and some retrospective but it's also not as good (or bad) as a lot of people make it out to be. Clemens was an okay love interest but he was not better than Hicks. Other than being given a "grizzled" past as a fuck-up doctor, he had no more depth than Hicks did.
The dynamic between Hicks and Clemens fighting over Ripley could've been good but we'll never know. As to Newt, calling her a "rebound daughter" is a little weak. She did just lose her daughter but she was starting to foster a relationship with her, just as she was starting to with Hicks. She even knew both Newt and Hicks longer than she did Clemens yet we're to believe she just moved on without feeling anything after 10 minutes of mourning them before jumping on Clemens bones?
There was more possiblity with the survivors than her avoiding gang rape in a prison.
The dynamic between Hicks and Clemens fighting over Ripley could've been good but we'll never know. As to Newt, calling her a "rebound daughter" is a little weak. She did just lose her daughter but she was starting to foster a relationship with her, just as she was starting to with Hicks. She even knew both Newt and Hicks longer than she did Clemens yet we're to believe she just moved on without feeling anything after 10 minutes of mourning them before jumping on Clemens bones?
There was more possiblity with the survivors than her avoiding gang rape in a prison.
This is one of the things that bugs me about all the Hicks lovers. I felt absolutely zero attachment to that character. He gets injured and is absent for half the movie! I don't understand why I'm supposed to care about him, and I certainly don't feel bad that he's dead in Alien3.
I never said he had depth, I said he had about as much as Clemens... she knew him barely at all and he was pretty much killed off as soon as it was convienent and not worth keeping around at all either.
And drop the sterotypes. You don't want to go there. I liked Hicks, didn't love him but godamned, people love Clemens because he was English and had a tiny, tiny bit more depth of character development?
And drop the sterotypes. You don't want to go there. I liked Hicks, didn't love him but godamned, people love Clemens because he was English and had a tiny, tiny bit more depth of character development?
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You want to take someone who kills for money and give them the most powerful bio-weapon ever created?
The Nostromo was an unwilling scout. It should have been able to bring back the creature with Ash at the helm. Ripley had to go and mess things up by auto-destructing the ship.
So time for plan B. Establish a colony. Either the colonists will stumble over the creatures on their own or if that's not fast enough, order them to go take a look (which is what happens). When the colony drops off the net, standard procedure is for a squad of space marines to go check. The company is okay with this because they know the marines are going to get slaughtered. Ripley is encouraged to go along because she's the only living witness of what these creatures can do. Even Burke is expendable. If all else fails, Bishop will capture an egg and bring it onboard the Sulaco which he does while he has the dropship all to himself. The only thing he couldn't count on was the queen tagging along and ripping him in half for stealing one of her eggs. Even so, once the queen gets flushed Bishop's mission can continue. The humans go to sleep while the egg waits. Legless Bishop is unable to tamper with the safeties that eject damaged hypersleep pods so he is forced to just take his chances that one of the humans will be infected. And it works and fortunately enough, spits that infected human onto a company planet. The company rescue squad arrives minutes too late.
As for Hicks, his injury wasn't all that severe. He had an acid burn to the shoulder. Now those of us who dared to watch AVP:R know that even just a few drops of the acid can take limbs right off at the joints BUT hunter-dad didn't have body armor on. Hicks did. He stays conscious until he makes it to the dropship but once he's in Bishop's care he never wakes up.
We've also forgotten something in our adoration of precocious Newt. In 1986 when Aliens came out, Carrie Henn was a child. In 1992, when Alien 3 came out, Carrie Henn had aged by 6 years. Even in Alien 3 Newt looks a lot different from the Newt of Aliens. So if you don't want to kill the character off, what do you do? Cast another pre-teen who looks and sounds exactly like Carrie Henn? Cast Carrie Henn and say she aged in hypersleep? Or just avoid all that trouble by bumping her off?
Yeah the companies actions make little or no sense, no problem admitting that. And we don't need Bishop, Newt and Hicks in Alien 3, just don't kill them off!
As for Michael Collins the character Dance plays, Colonel Ormonde Winter not only survives in real life but is promoted to general, knighted and goes on to fight in World War 2 in his sixties
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ormonde_Winter
But then truth was never what that repulsive travesty of a film was about, in fact quite the opposite
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