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Operational Crew of 1701

Surely the ship is designed to house passengers too so they need a fair bit of redundant space?

Curious...

In "Journey To Babel" the Ambassadors were given their own quarters - implying that special cabins do exist for passengers.

Yet, in "Elaan of Troyius" Uhura loans her cabin out for the use of the Dohlman...?

Where did the passengers quarters go?
 
^Maybe they had specialists on board for some other mission taking up the extra cabins. Though you would think that a temporarily assigned crew member would have to give up their cabin before a permanent one. But then, Uhura wouldn't get a line in the episode.
 
The ship's complement could have been higher than usual at the time. While the five-year mission was supposed to be independent, we did see the Enterprise visit Federation facilities every now and then. Perhaps it was decided, for whatever reason, to take on more crew.

There is of course, no evidence to corroborate such speculation, but 'tis food for thought.
 
Surely the ship is designed to house passengers too so they need a fair bit of redundant space?

Curious...

In "Journey To Babel" the Ambassadors were given their own quarters - implying that special cabins do exist for passengers.

Yet, in "Elaan of Troyius" Uhura loans her cabin out for the use of the Dohlman...?

Where did the passengers quarters go?

Yes - it make little sense. Ambassadorial quarters would most likely be larger and more luxurious than the crew quarters of a junior member of staff. It's possible that the loan was to fulfill a cultural requirement.
 
Surely the ship is designed to house passengers too so they need a fair bit of redundant space?

Curious...

In "Journey To Babel" the Ambassadors were given their own quarters - implying that special cabins do exist for passengers.

Yet, in "Elaan of Troyius" Uhura loans her cabin out for the use of the Dohlman...?

Where did the passengers quarters go?

Yes - it make little sense. Ambassadorial quarters would most likely be larger and more luxurious than the crew quarters of a junior member of staff. It's possible that the loan was to fulfill a cultural requirement.
Uhura's quarters were the nicest on the ship and the one with the most feminine stylings
;)
 
They may have had a delegation of Tellarites before hand and the guest quarters were still being deloused...

And if they were Borg, these were being Degaussed...

Or a certain New Jersey based Surgeon (as a result of accidental time travel), these were being Dehoused...

But I digress...

Anyhoo. An early fan-fic came up with the idea that it was possible to remove/install walls between cabins. So taking this to the logical next step, maybe cabins can completely disassembled and the resulting empty space be repurposed?
 
In "Journey To Babel" the Ambassadors were given their own quarters
Were they?

In that episode, Kirk for some reason is living on Deck 5; yet previously in "Mudd's Women", there was an indirect dialogue mention of Deck 12 for his quarters, and his doorsign has always said "3F" which might indicate Deck 3 or perhaps Deck F (that is, Deck 6) but not Deck 5.

It's quite possible that Kirk had to donate his quarters to an Ambassador and his or her or its party and move to a closet two decks down. For all we know, he actually had to bunk with the similarly displaced McCoy, because the two are seen dressing up in the same cabin in the teaser - a cabin whose mirror is at the wrong height for Kirk!

Timo Saloniemi
 
I would expect there are*some* quarters available for guests. But it seems reasonable that in JTB many of the officers were displaced as there are over 100 passengers. I doubt there's room for that many extra rooms. For EOT, I assume that it was considered a gesture of respect in that culture for a dignitary to be given somebody else's room rather than a new one. Weirder things have happened. At least she didn't need a hot mud bath...

--Alex
 
I would expect there are*some* quarters available for guests. But it seems reasonable that in JTB many of the officers were displaced as there are over 100 passengers. I doubt there's room for that many extra rooms. For EOT, I assume that it was considered a gesture of respect in that culture for a dignitary to be given somebody else's room rather than a new one. Weirder things have happened. At least she didn't need a hot mud bath...

--Alex
Yeah, I tend to agree.

It's also very likely that the Dohlman of Elaas was repulsed by being placed anywhere near the Troian contingent and required the nicest quarters as far as possible from them.

In my build-up, I put two VIP cabins on Deck 2. These are, for all practical purposes, "next door" to each other. Very likely, Uhura giving up her quarters was "concession" for the Dohlman not getting one of the VIP cabins.

This ESPECIALLY makes sense if, as one would expect, the Chief Communications Officer would be the person on the ship, under normal circumstances, most likely to be involved in the minutiae of diplomacy, wouldn't it? Uhura, perhaps in a moment of frustration, would have offered to give up her very own cabin if that would make the Dohlman happy!

For Journey to Babel, it strikes me (for numerous reasons) that the ship likely had offloaded many of the crew (Marla McGivers woudl have been left at Starbase, for example!) and they'd have been working on the "Pike-era" complement... which is the actual working crew for a "non-explorer" Heavy Cruiser, after all. Further, most of the officer (except senior staff) probably gave up their own cabins, and were bunked in shared cabins temporarily. This is not unheard of, even today.

For that matter, it's highly likely that the various cabins had their contents offloaded at Starbase and each diplomatic mission would have special fit-outs for their cabins, with beds, chairs, etc, and even decorations appropriate to their unique needs, don't you think?

The Babel Conference was a BIG DEAL, after all... it would be ridiculous NOT to devote the resources to a temporary modification to the ship... if you were going to use a Heavy Cruiser in the first place.

Which, of course, raises another question... why use a Heavy Cruiser instead of private liners? Why not let each government bring their own ambassadorial staff independently? Why not hire a big "cruise liner?"

There's only one reason... the show of putting these guys on a powerful warship. Which, as it turned out, was a good idea, wasn't it?

So, they stripped out (temporarily) the "full complement of a science vessel" normally carried by the twelve "explorer-refit" Constitution-class ships, and that opened up about 226 empty beds on the ship. MORE than enough to allow the transport of the ambassadors.

The ship likely was in-port for the several weeks prior to and after the Babel mission, but we didn't see that part because watching standard-issue beds being carried out of and into the ship wouldn't have made for good TV, would it? :)
 
In that episode, Kirk for some reason is living on Deck 5; yet previously in "Mudd's Women", there was an indirect dialogue mention of Deck 12 for his quarters, and his doorsign has always said "3F" which might indicate Deck 3 or perhaps Deck F (that is, Deck 6) but not Deck 5.
It makes sense that the senior-most officers (Captain, XO, 2nd Officer, etc) had larger private accommodations than the other department heads, on one of the higher decks.
 
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But the thing is, Kirk's quarters aren't particularly big. Unless there's more to them than the two rooms shown, of course.

The Babel Conference was a BIG DEAL, after all...

Or then a fast-paced crisis, for which all sorts of substandard and haphazard short-term arrangements were made.

why use a Heavy Cruiser instead of private liners?

If the only place where everybody could agree to having a meeting was located outside the territories of everybody, then a heavily armed warship would be the prudent way to ship dignitaries to that dangerous location! Chance meetings with unexpected vessels seem standard fare for Star Trek, but one shouldn't expose hundreds of VIPs to the risk of such.

The ship likely was in-port for the several weeks prior to and after the Babel mission

Or then was hastily launched ahead of schedule in response to the crisis, and thus had even fewer amenities available than usual.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Well, I'm basing my own judgement on how "real world" political events generally happen. Even when we're facing a real "shooting war" it still takes weeks just to get everyone to agree to an agenda to discuss matters.

How much more difficult will that be once we're not just talking about a subset of a single planet, but of vast swathes of space with many, many highly-populated planets (as well as numerous colony worlds, of course)?

You're right... it COULD have been some "emergency event" but I never got the impression that the Corridan issue had sprung up mere days prior to the episode. I got the impression that the Corridan issue had been ongoing for some time. I don't have a script in front of me right now, but I'll be that someone does... or maybe someone has lines memorized?
 
They may have had a delegation of Tellarites before hand and the guest quarters were still being deloused...
I resemble that remark!

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Uhura's quarters were the nicest on the ship and the one with the most feminine stylings
;)
As well as some cool-looking African art.

. . . It's quite possible that Kirk had to donate his quarters to an Ambassador and his or her or its party and move to a closet two decks down. For all we know, he actually had to bunk with the similarly displaced McCoy, because the two are seen dressing up in the same cabin in the teaser - a cabin whose mirror is at the wrong height for Kirk!
In the teaser, it looks like McCoy dropped by Kirk’s quarters to have a brief chat (and complain about his stiff, uncomfortable dress uniform) before they went to the hangar deck to meet the Vulcan delegation. They weren’t actually getting dressed together.

And Kirk always had to stoop slightly to look at himself in that mirror. You’d think one of the perks of being a starship captain would be a mirror hung at the right height.
 
Unless the mirror were optimally placed for observing the worrisome growth of the commanding officer's belly. "What shall I wear today? The wraparound? It's much more comfortable than the usual corset-and-uniform rig, but does it make my flanks look droopy?"

Or it could simply be the last line of defense against zipper mishaps.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Unless the mirror were optimally placed for observing the worrisome growth of the commanding officer's belly. "What shall I wear today? The wraparound? It's much more comfortable than the usual corset-and-uniform rig, but does it make my flanks look droopy?"

Or it could simply be the last line of defense against zipper mishaps.

Timo Saloniemi

That could be an in-character way to explain the delivery of some of Kirk's dialogue.
 
We get plenty of sneak peeks under Kirk's shirt, so the corset ain't there most of the time. Perhaps it's reserved for special occasions, like the makeup Kirk has in copious amounts in his cabin in "Enemy Within"?

(Or is that in fact Rand's cabin? The mirror is the same in both rooms, and we see little of the rest of the room where evil Kirk hides his scars. Might well be he returned to Rand's quarters because he figured out he might run into the good Kirk if he tried to use his own quarters.)

Timo Saloniemi
 
We get plenty of sneak peeks under Kirk's shirt, so the corset ain't there most of the time. Perhaps it's reserved for special occasions, like the makeup Kirk has in copious amounts in his cabin in "Enemy Within"?

(Or is that in fact Rand's cabin? The mirror is the same in both rooms, and we see little of the rest of the room where evil Kirk hides his scars. Might well be he returned to Rand's quarters because he figured out he might run into the good Kirk if he tried to use his own quarters.)

Timo Saloniemi

Rand definitely wore copious amounts of make-up and I think she carried around one of those soft-glow focus camera lenses for emergencies.
 
McCoy, too.

Really, I'd expect our heroes to take good care of their skin, as they have so many important PR roles to play. It's only from the perspective of the 1960s that it's odd that Kirk would be so well stocked.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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