Only with Gene...

[Navigator_NCC2120]

I recall reading an interview with Roddenberry post-TMP where he said something about a sequel story that would be about the Klingons and making them less two-dimensional bad-guys. I don't recall every reading anything from a reputable source that said this was "Kitumba" or a variation on it, but it's a logical hypothesis. Maybe someone needs to ask Jon Povill.

Good idea. Perhaps the TrekBBS member with the screen name GSchnitzer could ask Jon Povil about it. I believe Mr. Schnitzer is part of James Cawley's production staff over at the fan film company "Star Trek: Phase 2" (formerly "Star Trek: New Voyages").


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[Gagarin]

TMP wasn't just expensive, it was an over-budget clusterfsck. Overbudget is a big thorn no matter what number.

 

[Balok's Head]

According to Susan Sackett, Gene's idea for Star Trek II involved a time travel story and the JFK assassination which Paramount rejected.

Yes, thank you, I know. I think another idea of his was to use the Phase 2 script "Kitumba" as a sequel. However, I still recall reading that Paramount would not give Gene creative control of the sequel so he left.


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I'm pretty sure that was for Star Trek IV since Gene knew they wanted a time travel story. Listen to the comentary

 

[Maurice]

^^^I don't think so. I recall hearing about the time-travel/JFK thing waaaay before TVH.

 

[Ssosmcin]

...TWOK didn't make the same money as TMP, but it was a bigger success.

Define "success". If you mean that the return for Paramount was higher than TMP because the investment was smaller, then yes.

Yup, that's exactly what I meant. So even though the film brought in fewer box office dollars than TMP, they made more of a profit. TWOK made something like 5 times its budget back, while TMP made around 3 times its money back. Or something, I don't know the exact figures.

USing my Planet of the Apes example, the second film made earned far less than the original, but the budget was so much lower, it was considered a huge success. Go figger.

 

[RobertScorpio]

As time goes on, opinions change. I have never been a fan of Gene's, but...the more and more I think about it, the more I am convinced that his positive view of how Earth turned out, in the future, was the most important aspect of his TOS. And when I hear fans say they don't like that aspect, and I was once one of them, I just shake my head and realize what Gene was trying to do. He was trying to inspire us to be better than the humans in the real world. Idealistic? Sure. But as I have said elsewhere; there are tons of SCIFI universes out there to go and read and enjoy, where Earth is shitty and humans are morons. If you don't like the 'good future' that GR created (and I aim this not only at fans by IRA STEVE BEHR and the others) then find away to write around it (which Ira did) or just leave...

Rob