From what I've read, a lot of people seem to be in favour of a DS9 eighth season. Ive always felt there should have been a bit more time after WYLB, but I always felt unsure about whether a whole extra season would have worked. I think just one episode would have been good, have Odo go back to the changelings then, and see the effects of Sisko leaving. Im interested to see what the general opinion is on DS9 ending, and possible extra episodes.
One more season, or one more episode.
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I'll say fine as it was, with the caveat that I don't think the ending we got was perfect. Maybe if the finale was written differently in some major ways it could have accomodated an epilogue, but as it is, it's full of "ending stuff" and I'm not sure we needed more.
As for an extra season, who knows? It might have been good or it might have seen the quality drop off. I'm happy with seven, especially since I rather liked the final year in spite of its flaws so I'm happy to have that as the end.
As for an extra season, who knows? It might have been good or it might have seen the quality drop off. I'm happy with seven, especially since I rather liked the final year in spite of its flaws so I'm happy to have that as the end.
Pretty much what Pemmer said. You've probably seen me going on about how an eighth season would have been nifty before but WYLB was written in such a finalizing way that, indeed, it (and probably some segments of the overall 'Final Chapter') would need to be redone in order for me to truly get behind such an idea.
As for 'another episode'... same dealio. Especially so in this case. If WYLB remained as finalizing as it is and we got just one more episode I'd feel all the more passionately that it should have just ended where it has; it would seem kind of silly.
As for 'another episode'... same dealio. Especially so in this case. If WYLB remained as finalizing as it is and we got just one more episode I'd feel all the more passionately that it should have just ended where it has; it would seem kind of silly.
I suppose I'd definitely consider it, yes. I do like WYLB quite a bit, though. It's probably my favorite series finale, or at least in the top two. I've never seen a 'perfect' one in my eyes so yeah.
I would have liked a sort of "sidequel" to "What You Leave Behind" to establish what happened to the Dominion ships (I know they probably returned to the Gamma Quadrant, but it was never mentioned) or some mention of Bajor's Federation membership status.
Another season--but with WYLB still as the finaly.
I actuall started a thread on this some time back. Basically five more stand-alones before "Penumbra". "Penumbra" and "'Till Death Do Us Part" kept as the same. "Strange Bedfellows" and "The Changing Face of Evil" as the same except that they slow down the Dukat-Winn storyline a bit, bringing it into Season Eight.
The finale of "Changing Face..." would be the cliffhangar of Season Seven.
The rest of the "Final Chapter" episodes would be expanded and fleshed out. More time between Gowron coming to the station and Worf killing him. More time before Bashir discovers Odo has the virus.
Still, have Julian and Ezri come together at a similar pace as they do in the show as it is. We'd see them together--perhaps on the holodeck (preferably the spy program...
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The storyline for "Extreme Measures" expanded into two episodes...so we'll get a MUCH more believable and satisfying confrontation with Sloan. (Is it REALLY that believable that, after Sloan locked down Julian's computer in "Inter Arna...", he somehow "forgot" to in "Extreme Measures", allowing Julian to trap him in a force field and call O'Brien?)
I actuall started a thread on this some time back. Basically five more stand-alones before "Penumbra". "Penumbra" and "'Till Death Do Us Part" kept as the same. "Strange Bedfellows" and "The Changing Face of Evil" as the same except that they slow down the Dukat-Winn storyline a bit, bringing it into Season Eight.
The finale of "Changing Face..." would be the cliffhangar of Season Seven.
The rest of the "Final Chapter" episodes would be expanded and fleshed out. More time between Gowron coming to the station and Worf killing him. More time before Bashir discovers Odo has the virus.
Still, have Julian and Ezri come together at a similar pace as they do in the show as it is. We'd see them together--perhaps on the holodeck (preferably the spy program...
).The storyline for "Extreme Measures" expanded into two episodes...so we'll get a MUCH more believable and satisfying confrontation with Sloan. (Is it REALLY that believable that, after Sloan locked down Julian's computer in "Inter Arna...", he somehow "forgot" to in "Extreme Measures", allowing Julian to trap him in a force field and call O'Brien?)
Y'know, Rush, I've actually thought of that before as well. Some of the other things you mentioned to a lesser extent but making "Changing Face of Evil" the end of S7 and giving us an eighth is exactly how I'd do it, yes.
I would have loved to see a movie dealing with Sisko's return (which would have needed some epic reason).
I wanted something along the lines of the Second season, mainly dealing with the after effects of the war and the Bajoran situation. Other than that, it was fine the way it was.
I can't believe I voted for "fine as it was" since there is always a voice in my head panting "moar trek moar trek".
But it had the best ending of all the series, a perfect and bittersweet finale.
But it had the best ending of all the series, a perfect and bittersweet finale.
No way, no way. Not for me, anyway.
I've always thought WYLB is amazing. "All Good Things" is pretty good, too, but I've always been a bigger fan of more serialized storytelling and "What You Leave Behind" does a great job of ending an era in these characters' lives.
As for "Endgame", it's been way too long since I watched it so I don't want to say much. But the fact that they end the finale the way they do has always frustrated me, plus the largely-random inclusion of a certain coupling of two characters that I've always felt immensely unnecessary and hokey.
I've always thought WYLB is amazing. "All Good Things" is pretty good, too, but I've always been a bigger fan of more serialized storytelling and "What You Leave Behind" does a great job of ending an era in these characters' lives.
As for "Endgame", it's been way too long since I watched it so I don't want to say much. But the fact that they end the finale the way they do has always frustrated me, plus the largely-random inclusion of a certain coupling of two characters that I've always felt immensely unnecessary and hokey.
I'm pretty sure All Good Things... would win most polls on this site, but the majority of fans seem to have a positive opinion of What You Leave Behind. I don't think it's a great finale, but I think it's good - I'd maybe give it an 8, AGT... is a 10, Endgame a 6 or 7 and These are the Voyages probably a 3.
I tend to agree for the most part, though All Good Things is widely admired for good reason. It is the perfect finale for TNG, both for its flaws and its strengths. WYLB wins out for me because I find that it has a much deeper emotional impact.
Endgame is not even in the conversation as far as I'm concerned. It's derivative of AGT and it's a total mess, morally speaking, to the extent one is willing to give the plot a second's thought.
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Count me in with the lot that is more than happy with how DS9 turned out at the end.
Agreed on all points. I do like AGT quite a bit, but WYLB is a clear winner for how much more impact it has for me, and the feeling was more intense, since it was wrapping up more than just the show itself.
And Endgame is just sort of embarrassing. One of the weird things was that there was no buildup at all, when even with TNG's Preemptive Strike I got the sense that the show was winding down for a big finish. DS9 of course had a huge arc (part of an even huger 2-year arc) leading up to its.
Agreed on all points. I do like AGT quite a bit, but WYLB is a clear winner for how much more impact it has for me, and the feeling was more intense, since it was wrapping up more than just the show itself.
And Endgame is just sort of embarrassing. One of the weird things was that there was no buildup at all, when even with TNG's Preemptive Strike I got the sense that the show was winding down for a big finish. DS9 of course had a huge arc (part of an even huger 2-year arc) leading up to its.
I'd like to have seen an 8th season with the Dominion War running all the way to the end of the 8th Season. That would have been amazing.
On the other hand, if the question means having an 8th Season with nothing happening other than boring stuff like Bajor joining the Federation - in that case it's better to have no other season.
In other words, the 8th Season would only be good if the 7th Season was changed from how it is now (and that goes way further than just 'part' of WYLB), but an 8th Season continuing on from the 7th Season as it is now would be awful.
On the other hand, if the question means having an 8th Season with nothing happening other than boring stuff like Bajor joining the Federation - in that case it's better to have no other season.
In other words, the 8th Season would only be good if the 7th Season was changed from how it is now (and that goes way further than just 'part' of WYLB), but an 8th Season continuing on from the 7th Season as it is now would be awful.
I think Endgame is the best finale relative to its series. Voyager was badly written, the characters were one dimensional (at best), it had lots of stuff in it to make stupid people think it was being smart, and it relied pretty much totally on the leavings of TNG, especially the Borg. I think Endgame fulfilled all those criteria, and as bad as it was when compared to other trek, it was probably more enjoyable than most Voyager. I think for the people who enjoyed Voyager it was probably a perfect finale.
WYLB, on the other hand, was overcrowded and not nearly as well written as most other ds9. I thought the end of the Dominion War was okay, but the battles were nothing I hadnt seen before, and I frankly became pretty bored while I was watching them. Then everyone got back and the whole pah'thetics thing kicked off, Sisko went down to Bajor, and fell in the firepit. YAWN. The two major ds9 arcs are both bought to an underwhelming climax, within the same damn episode! Then on top of that youve got the stuff about Odo leaving, Garak leaving, O'Brien leaving, Sisko coming back to talk to Kasidy. It was all just too much, all those things carried too much weight for that one show and the writers didnt have enough time to concentrate on all of it. Thats why I think an extra episode would have been good, even if they had to do the stupid fire caves thing with Sisko, they could then have spent the next episode with everyone leaving the station, really give it some emotional depth, instead of a damn set of montages, the laziest plot device in the history of time. You could also have seen more of Jake without his father, and then Sisko could have come back at the end of that episode.
WYLB, on the other hand, was overcrowded and not nearly as well written as most other ds9. I thought the end of the Dominion War was okay, but the battles were nothing I hadnt seen before, and I frankly became pretty bored while I was watching them. Then everyone got back and the whole pah'thetics thing kicked off, Sisko went down to Bajor, and fell in the firepit. YAWN. The two major ds9 arcs are both bought to an underwhelming climax, within the same damn episode! Then on top of that youve got the stuff about Odo leaving, Garak leaving, O'Brien leaving, Sisko coming back to talk to Kasidy. It was all just too much, all those things carried too much weight for that one show and the writers didnt have enough time to concentrate on all of it. Thats why I think an extra episode would have been good, even if they had to do the stupid fire caves thing with Sisko, they could then have spent the next episode with everyone leaving the station, really give it some emotional depth, instead of a damn set of montages, the laziest plot device in the history of time. You could also have seen more of Jake without his father, and then Sisko could have come back at the end of that episode.
Endgame and All Good Things are at least two part finales that were written as such, and where part two follows part one seamlessly. One third of What You Leave Behind is silly flashbacks with music, and part two is totally different from part one.
