One man's theory on why Shatner is going to be in Star trek

[jadcox@mindspring.com]

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INT. ENTERPRISE BRIDGE - CONTINUOUS

SPOCK pulls the younger KIRK aside and WHISPERS.

SPOCK
Before I return to my own time period,
there is something I must say to you.
You are going to meet a bald Frenchman
who speaks with an English accent in a
nexus....

We do not hear the rest of the conversation.

INT. SPOCK'S HOME - THE 24th CENTURY - DAY

Spock enters, and raises his eyebrow -- the closest to shock his emotional control will allow. PULL BACK to reveal OLD KIRK sitting at his breakfast table, smiling.

OLD KIRK
Thanks for the tip, old friend.

FADE OUT

THE END

 

[VOODOOXI]

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Alternate time lines mean that Spock would not have to disrupt any time line + the writers would not have to waste time saving Kirk from the nexus.

Also,if Spock goes back in time and messes with a time line (or time lines) Kirk may live unintentionally through his or Nero's actions.

There seems to be quite a bit of room to get Shatner in if they still want him. Just a cameo (3 seconds that show Kirk is alive post nexus) will do.

 

[Holytomato]

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Superman said:
However, if he really isn't in it (proof of which right now is like proving/disproving God's existence) than I'll be extremely disappointed and will probably not watch the film more than once.

\S/

which is why The Shat must be in the film...

 

[Superman]

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^^^If by "must" you mean "that's what Superman is saying," you're incorrect.

I'm saying the possibility and probability is, at this juncture, high.

I'd like to think that there always are...possibilities.

\S/

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

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PointedEars04 said:
Spock wouldn't disrupt the timeline for personal reasons. City on the Edge of Forever?

Jim, Edith Keeler must die.

Which had to be done to repair the damage that had been done to the timeline by McCoy. Spock wasn't trying to change things, he was trying to change them back. Huge difference.

 

[JoeZhang]

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Is it that much of a difference in terms of outcome? Spock knows that damaging the timeline is a bad thing to do and therefore is unlikely to 'do a McCoy".

 

[Wowbagger]

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[StarMan]

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jadcox@mindspring.com said:
INT. ENTERPRISE BRIDGE - CONTINUOUS

SPOCK pulls the younger KIRK aside and WHISPERS.

SPOCK
Before I return to my own time period,
there is something I must say to you.
You are going to meet a bald Frenchman
who speaks with an English accent in a
nexus....

To which the majority of the audience will go "What. The. Fuck?!"

 

[Holytomato]

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Nawww...

To which the majority of the audience will go "Screw. This. Let's. Go. F%ck!"

 

[shortround]

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I think shatner is going to be this movies,and people will talk about how this was the best keep secret in show business when we see him on the big screen.


http://fusedfilmblog.com/2008/02/01/why-...more-star-trek/

 

[Son_of_Soong]

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Is there anyone thats NOT going ot be in this movie?

 

[archeryguy1701]

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^Well, I haven't seen a "Where's Janeway?!?" thread yet, so I think there'll be a few exclusions.

 

[Photoman15]

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All Spock has to do (say) (as long as we assume Picard briefed him) is for Kirk to be more careful on the bridge on Veridian III. He can still come out of the Nexus, team up with Picard to beat up Soran. Just use a rope when retrieving the cloak control. E-D still crashes, missle is locked and kills Soran, Kirk is alive. So it goes on....

 

[Franklin]

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gastrof said:
I mean, Picard's an upfront guy and all, but to admit that in the same day he'd lost his ship AND was involved in the death of a just-rescued famous hero?

That is the definition of having had a bad day, isn't it?

If Carl Spock warned young Kirk about the Nexus, Veridian, or whatever, by definition he'd also be revealing to Kirk that he lives at least to that moment. Another 35-40 years or so. So, for all that time he has nothing to fear. Essentially, all risks are worth taking up to meeting Soran. Something about it doesn't seem right. It's kind of a cheat.

 

[JoeZhang]

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All Spock has to do (say) (as long as we assume Picard briefed him) is for Kirk to be more careful on the bridge on Veridian III. He can still come out of the Nexus, team up with Picard to beat up Soran. Just use a rope when retrieving the cloak control. E-D still crashes, missle is locked and kills Soran, Kirk is alive. So it goes on....

Which Spock would never do because of the unknown ramifications of changing the timeline - it would be entirely out of character and would be a piece of fanwank of the first order.

 

[Photoman15]

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Yeah, but that's what we all do best here.
He could plant a subconscience warning in young Kirk's head so Kirk wouldn't know thru his "natural" life.

 

[JoeZhang]

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Photoman15 said:
Yeah, but that's what we all do best here.
He could plant a subconscience warning in young Kirk's head so Kirk wouldn't know thru his "natural" life.

So what you are saying is that someone travels back in time and makes sure the events of "City on the edge of Forever" never happens and nobody learns anything from their experience there? and then also goes further back in time and dramatically alters Spock's personality? seems a bit long winded and complex for a film....

The problem is NOT that Kirk knows the time of his death (althought this presents problems of his own), the problem is that Kirk died when he did - altering that has any number of unknown ramifications for the future - it's impossible for Spock to know what those are and he would never alter the timeline to fulfil his own selfish needs.

 

[Photoman15]

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Where did you come to that conclusion. I just said that in XI, Spock could plant a warning about Veridian III and the bridge "problem" so that Kirk will take a rope with him and not die.

 

[JoeZhang]

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Where did you come to that conclusion. I just said that in XI, Spock could plant a warning about Veridian III and the bridge "problem" so that Kirk will take a rope with him and not die.

You really don't seem to get what I am saying - James Kirk died at Veridian III - that is what happened, by altering the past (Kirk's death), he is changing the present and the future. It could be that Kirk being alive has no significant impact on the universe, it could be that his presence kicks off a chain of events that causes intergalactic war. Spock has no way of knowing and he's not going to play dice with the time-line in such a manner.

 

[Franklin]

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Photoman15 said:
Where did you come to that conclusion. I just said that in XI, Spock could plant a warning about Veridian III and the bridge "problem" so that Kirk will take a rope with him and not die.

Yes, but then Kirk living in the 24th century could change how the time after he was supposed to die unfolded (in whatever little or not so little way).

I would think whatever Spock is doing back in the TOS era, and however he gets back there, he is righting a real wrong -- or preventing one from happening. Spock's training and ethics would not allow him to change what he knows is SUPPOSED to happen.