Once Upon A Time Season 4

[propita]

What amazes me most reading these questions is how little the show is sticking in my mind! Star on a wrist? Don't remember. Ending? Don't remember.

Favorites characters? Gold and Regina, both trying to find their way through the new personas they're trying to build.

 

[Sindatur]

What amazes me most reading these questions is how little the show is sticking in my mind! Star on a wrist? Don't remember. Ending? Don't remember.

Favorites characters? Gold and Regina, both trying to find their way through the new personas they're trying to build.

You missed quite a few moments regarding the star.

1. The long camera rest of Lily's wrist with it
2. The conversation about it right afterwards
3. Drawing a star on Emma's wrist after that
4. Emma rubbing the star off her wrist at the end of Emma and Lily's relationship

 

[Nerys Myk]

This was a good one. That was a hell of a twist at the end. I wonder if this means she can travel between worlds?
I definitely agree Lily must be important somewhere in the future, or at least the star shaped scar will be. That seemed a little to specific to be just a random scar to me.

We know Lily is adopted. Could she be another refugee from the Enchanted Forest? Lily...lily pad...frog...the Princess and the Frog. She's the daughter of the Frog Prince!!!!!

 

[Richard Baker]

Lily's full name was Lilith, also known as the Dark Mother.
Not too sure if that is significant, but they spent a lot of time on her character to be just a one episode throw away.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Lilith was Adam's first wife, before Eve. Although I doubt they've all of a sudden gone for a religious angle...

 

[Agent Richard07]

Looking forward to seeing the grown up Lily and a reunion with Emma.

 

[Mr Light]

Did Disney acquire Christianity too, now?

 

[137th Gebirg]

^^^ They certainly have the bank account for it. Although, to be fair, the story of Lilith is a Jewish one from ancient Hebrew mythology.

 

[Gryffindorian]

Maybe she's Tiger Lily.

 

[Masiral]

Maybe she's Tiger Lily.

Neverland is the second star to the right...and I think the star was on her right wrist...

 

[Dream]

I'm really looking forward to this Sunday's episode.

 

[Admiral2]

^Finally switched to the Georgina Haig av, eh, Dream?

 

[Richard Baker]

Nothing in this series is accidental- they set up things many shows in advance and then revisit them when the time is right.
I find it interesting that the best characters IMO are the darker ones- Hook, Gold & Regina are fun to watch in every show, while the most boring/frustrating ones are the 'good guys'- Emma wanders around looking pained and concerned, Charming is a wimp and Snow can only focus on one thing at a time. I wish they would bring Red back into the spotlight- she was a great person and stole most of the scenes she was in.

 

[Gryffindorian]

So the Snow Queen's plans involve getting Emma and Elsa to be part of her new family (after getting rid of Anna long ago, presumably trapping her in the sorcerer's hat). I mean, how trivial is that? I thought she would have more profound motives than obsessing over Emma and trying to build a family.

As for Belle, she should've just told everyone the truth from the very moment Elsa waltzed into town. She had met Anna before. She knew the Snow Queen took her. Certainly she felt guilty for failing to save Anna from falling, but it wasn't her fault. Perhaps the mirror was right about her being a coward?

 

[sojourner]

Unless there's still something with the unknown sister we haven't seen., Emma's connection to all this feels really forced from a story perspective.

 

[Dream]

My favorite part of the episode was Oaken.

Belle was being really dumb in this episode. Why go on such a dangerous journey just to find out about your mother, when she KNEW that her mother was already dead? Are you telling me not a single person in the castle besides the father knew what happened to her mother? Also it should have been incredibly obviously to her that she was holding onto a fake dagger.

The writers should have kept the fate of the mother ambiguous and made it seem like she had been kidnapped, and revealed at the end by Belle's father that the mother was dead. That would have been more emotional.

Also Anna should have been killed falling from that height. Glad we finally found out the Snow Queen's real name is Ingrid. The writers should LOVE to drop a huge piece of information on the audience at the last seconds of every episode don't they? It is getting too predictable. Reminds me so much of LOST.

The two hour episode is going to be after next week's episode. I'm really excited about that.

 

[trekkiebaggio]

Unless there's still something with the unknown sister we haven't seen., Emma's connection to all this feels really forced from a story perspective.

Yeah, that scroll prophecy is really weird and when Elsa read it ot it just sounded stupid.

 

[137th Gebirg]

So the Snow Queen's plans involve getting Emma and Elsa to be part of her new family (after getting rid of Anna long ago, presumably trapping her in the sorcerer's hat). I mean, how trivial is that? I thought she would have more profound motives than obsessing over Emma and trying to build a family.

As for Belle, she should've just told everyone the truth from the very moment Elsa waltzed into town. She had met Anna before. She knew the Snow Queen took her. Certainly she felt guilty for failing to save Anna from falling, but it wasn't her fault. Perhaps the mirror was right about her being a coward?

In-universe, yes, I believe the idea was that she was a coward and couldn't face up to what she had done for her own selfish ends.

Out-of-universe, it's a common trope these days for drawing out drama. LOST did it shamelessly, even made an art form of it. Since this show has become something of a Lost reunion of sorts, this is not entirely surprising.

Edit: Dream mentions another parallel to LOST's writing style. Who's running the show nowadays, anyway? I really have a sinking feeling about the direction this show is taking if it's treading this far into LOST waters...

Perpetual WTF for WTF's sake really should not be a valid writing style.

 

[trekkiebaggio]

The creators of the show worked on Lost, so it's been in OUAT's DNA from the beginning.

 

[JD]

My favorite part of the episode was Oaken.

Belle was being really dumb in this episode. Why go on such a dangerous journey just to find out about your mother, when she KNEW that her mother was already dead? Are you telling me not a single person in the castle besides the father knew what happened to her mother? Also it should have been incredibly obviously to her that she was holding onto a fake dagger.

The writers should have kept the fate of the mother ambiguous and made it seem like she had been kidnapped, and revealed at the end by Belle's father that the mother was dead. That would have been more emotional.

Also Anna should have been killed falling from that height. Glad we finally found out the Snow Queen's real name is Ingrid. The writers should LOVE to drop a huge piece of information on the audience at the last seconds of every episode don't they? It is getting too predictable. Reminds me so much of LOST.

The two hour episode is going to be after next week's episode. I'm really excited about that.

Belle's knew from the start that her mother was dead, she just wanted to find out exactly how she died. They were evacuating the castle, so I don't think there was anyone else around to see what happened. The only way she could find out since her father wasn't telling her was to find out what she couldn't remember.
I do agree that the Snow Queen's motivation as revealed in this episode is a little underwhelming. Most of the threats they've faced so far have been a lot bigger, and have at least been a threat to Storybrook as a whole. Hopefully there will be more to it by the end of the season.