Interesting point. I wouldn't be surprised if that became an issue at some point, as some people decide "hey, I actually kind of LIKE it here in Storybrooke, and want to keep things just the way they are."
Once Upon a Time (ABC) - 1x02 till the bitter end
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Interesting point. I wouldn't be surprised if that became an issue at some point, as some people decide "hey, I actually kind of LIKE it here in Storybrooke, and want to keep things just the way they are."
I like OUAT, and I am totally okay with it being a little fluffy.
The only thing that irks me is the whole Mary Margaret and David in Maine storyline. He needs to get with the program. Charming works well as Snow's sidekick, but not the lovelorn and feckless marzipan confection he is in Maine.
I don't think they are going to magically abandon Maine in the season ender. I could be wrong.
I feel that maybe the fairytale characters might save themselves. Jefferson and Graham became wise to it all. (Well Jefferson always was...)
What if some opt to stay and others to go? Ruby seems pretty happy kicking it with Granny in Maine.
The only thing that irks me is the whole Mary Margaret and David in Maine storyline. He needs to get with the program. Charming works well as Snow's sidekick, but not the lovelorn and feckless marzipan confection he is in Maine.
I don't think they are going to magically abandon Maine in the season ender. I could be wrong.
I feel that maybe the fairytale characters might save themselves. Jefferson and Graham became wise to it all. (Well Jefferson always was...)
What if some opt to stay and others to go? Ruby seems pretty happy kicking it with Granny in Maine.
They've just announced the DVD and Blu-ray release for August 28
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http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Time-Season-1/16905
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As propita said, Ruby isn't a werewolf in Storybrooke.
I have a suspicion that Henry might be Baelfire's son, which is to say, Gold's/Rumplestiltskin's grandson as well as Regina's. Rumplestiltskin arranged for Emma's withdrawal into our world as a way of undoing the curse he gave the Queen. I presume his plan was to have the Queen's curse transport him to Baelfire's destination, then have the curse undone by Emma so that he could search for Baelfire. Or possibly, he might recast the curse so that they are still in this world, but he is now in Regina's position as the only one with magic, enabling him to seek out Baelfire.
No, Regina doesn't know who Emma is, or she would be as determined to separate Mary Margaret/Snow White from her child as from her Prince Charming. It was also an explicit plot point that Henry wanted to keep Regina from seeing the end of his book, in which as I recall, Emma was introduced as the child of Snow White.
As of this point, most or all of the standalone stories deconstruct fairy tale happy endings in favor of real world happy endings. This may be a conscious thematic choice or the outcome of trying to delay the storyline. So far I'm inclined to favor the former, but Jefferson's claim this world needs some magic does seem like a shout out (sorry, forgot who highlighted this.)
As opposed to believing in talking crickets, fairies, werewolves, evil witches, curses, Snow White, Cinderella, Pinocchio, and Alice in Wonderland?
Remember, Emma doesn't know she's living in a fantasy TV series. In the real world, grown-up, twenty-first century people don't believe that fairy-tale characters are real. It's not like believing in government conspiracies or ESP or even extraterrestrials; believing that you're actually the long-lost daughter of Snow White (!) and Prince Charming (!) is a whole other level of crazy.
I mean, suppose random individuals kept telling you that you were the secret love child of Frodo Baggins and Wonder Woman? Chances are, it would take more than a few odd coincidences to make you even consider such an utterly ridiculous notion.
As far as Emma knows, the Mad Hatter is character from an old children's book by Lewis Carroll. She has absolutely no reason to believe that the Mad Hatter--or Red Riding Hood or Rumplestiltskin--were ever real people.
To her, it's like believing in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny . . . .
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Thanks, stj.
I think they're leading up to Bae being Henry's father. Emma really didn't seem to think well of him, so it'd be sad if Bae wasn't a good guy. Maybe he was too, well not magic since there was no magic, but something, and she thought he was crazy. And since Gold doesn't know where Bae is, he wouldn't know Henry was his grandson. Cause I have a feeling that, if Henry is Bae's boy and Gold knew, there would be no way in hell Gold would let Regina get her claws on him.
God! Carlyle is SUCH a good actor. He doesn't have to "steal" scenes. You don't have to steal that which you already own.
I think they're leading up to Bae being Henry's father. Emma really didn't seem to think well of him, so it'd be sad if Bae wasn't a good guy. Maybe he was too, well not magic since there was no magic, but something, and she thought he was crazy. And since Gold doesn't know where Bae is, he wouldn't know Henry was his grandson. Cause I have a feeling that, if Henry is Bae's boy and Gold knew, there would be no way in hell Gold would let Regina get her claws on him.
God! Carlyle is SUCH a good actor. He doesn't have to "steal" scenes. You don't have to steal that which you already own.
Why do you think the mainstream audience is more patient with this story or any story than genre fans? Shouldn't it be the reverse? Ratings have been slipping over the whole season. It doesn't look to me like anyone's got a lot of patience for slow-burning shows anymore.
They need to get the damn story moving from Square One, where it has been stuck the entire season, or else who knows what's going to happen to the ratings next year. ABC is lining up a very aggressive slate of new shows, heavy on the female-appealing complex soap approach, some of which will be sf/f.
On top of that, NBC is going to be trying to steal their audience, also no doubt with some new sf/f series, and they have the Olympics in August to give them a jump start on everyone else.
OUAT is going to have a lot of new siblings and rivals it will need to keep pace with, or S2 will be the last. And who knows, maybe two seasons is enough of a story, but I think Jefferson's hat opens up a lot of new possibilities that could be explored.
I don't think the show will ever abandon Maine. At most, they'd make it easier for the characters to move back and forth. First, everyone needs to be aware this is possible. Most likely, the big season ending twist will be Emma getting a thwack to the head that makes it impossible to totally return to her old way of thinking - she ends up lying on her ass in the magical realm, fade out, see ya in Sept.
^Actually IMO that would be a perfect ending. At this point it's probably one of the only things that would definitely make her believe and really get things moving.
As for the Bae playing a role in the series somewhere, up until the last couple episodes I wasn't sure if he would, but now I'm convinced he's going to be popping up somewhere. Especially since, if I understand what's been implied, finding him in our world was the whole reason Rumple gave The Queen the curse in the first place. I like the idea of him being Henry's father, that would be a great twist.
While it has been slow at times, I've gotten attached enough to the characters now, that unless the quality drops drastically I'm in for the long haul. It took a while, but I'm getting to be just as interested in the Storybrooke story as the Fairy Tale world stuff. Especially after what they've been doing with Pinocchio/Booth, Rumpelstiltskin/Gold, and Regina/Regina.
As for the Bae playing a role in the series somewhere, up until the last couple episodes I wasn't sure if he would, but now I'm convinced he's going to be popping up somewhere. Especially since, if I understand what's been implied, finding him in our world was the whole reason Rumple gave The Queen the curse in the first place. I like the idea of him being Henry's father, that would be a great twist.
While it has been slow at times, I've gotten attached enough to the characters now, that unless the quality drops drastically I'm in for the long haul. It took a while, but I'm getting to be just as interested in the Storybrooke story as the Fairy Tale world stuff. Especially after what they've been doing with Pinocchio/Booth, Rumpelstiltskin/Gold, and Regina/Regina.
Betcha the writers leave themselves some wiggle room, tho...someone drugs her or she hits her head right before...so that when she comes back from her trip down the rabbit hole, she isn't sure whether what she saw was real, or a hallucination prompted by being surrounded by nutcases who have been putting that stuff in her head. 
If they use a good chunk of early S2 on a phase where Emma doesn't really know what to believe, that seems fair. No sense pushing the story along too fast, I just want to see it pushed.
If they use a good chunk of early S2 on a phase where Emma doesn't really know what to believe, that seems fair. No sense pushing the story along too fast, I just want to see it pushed.
Well, was tonight's episode a big enough push for everyone's liking? Emma HAS to start believing, NOW - or Henry's dead. (Kudos to the writers for not making his biting the poisoned apple turnover accidental, but a real leap of faith on his part.)
So, if Emma dies for any reason, the curse is automatically broken? Very clever, Rumpy! 'Course, a guy who would build in a failsafe like that would also include a loophole to allow him SOME magic in Storybrooke (at least more than he revealed to Regina)...
Interesting that Regina apparently now knew who Emma (and thus Henry) was all along. Kind of adds circumstantially to the idea that Bae is Henry's dad - and, what's more, that Rumpy knows it.
Kristen Stewart's really got a tough act to follow now (albeit with a bigger budget). Our Snow doesn't need a suit of armor or a horse to fight the Queen...
So where the hell's Mad Hatter been between when he apparently disappeared down his magic hat and when Regina summoned him??
So, if Emma dies for any reason, the curse is automatically broken? Very clever, Rumpy! 'Course, a guy who would build in a failsafe like that would also include a loophole to allow him SOME magic in Storybrooke (at least more than he revealed to Regina)...
Interesting that Regina apparently now knew who Emma (and thus Henry) was all along. Kind of adds circumstantially to the idea that Bae is Henry's dad - and, what's more, that Rumpy knows it.
Kristen Stewart's really got a tough act to follow now (albeit with a bigger budget). Our Snow doesn't need a suit of armor or a horse to fight the Queen...
So where the hell's Mad Hatter been between when he apparently disappeared down his magic hat and when Regina summoned him??
I did appreciate the minor depth they gave Regina with her opening nightmare, with her pleading and admitting that her main purpose in the Curse was simply because for once in her life she "wanted to win".
For a literal Fairy Tale villain, that has to be the one thing they all want. Just for once in their life to achieve SOMETHING.
For a literal Fairy Tale villain, that has to be the one thing they all want. Just for once in their life to achieve SOMETHING.
Well, I completely misread Jefferson. I thought he was tragic, but he's just stupid. He's working for the Queen a third time!
Her last little bit of magic? That's coming out of nowhere.
Killing Emma breaks the curse? Any guesses as to how the Queen knew that but still didn't know that Rumplestiltskin wanted the curse to end? How did she rationalize such an odd loophole?
Why does Regina not care about Mary Margaret bonding with her daughter (enough to really lay a heavy duty guilt trip on Emma
)?
Gold talks about people remembering but he doesn't talk about going back. Is it official that breaking the curse still leaves everyone in Storybrooke?
Her last little bit of magic? That's coming out of nowhere.
Killing Emma breaks the curse? Any guesses as to how the Queen knew that but still didn't know that Rumplestiltskin wanted the curse to end? How did she rationalize such an odd loophole?
Why does Regina not care about Mary Margaret bonding with her daughter (enough to really lay a heavy duty guilt trip on Emma
)? Gold talks about people remembering but he doesn't talk about going back. Is it official that breaking the curse still leaves everyone in Storybrooke?
Yeah - I was a little nonplussed by Regina acting like she knew who Emma truly was all along. I thought her majesty was in the dark. At least that is how the series played it to me up until last night.
I really thought Jefferson had headed through a rabbit hole courtesy of Emma. Maybe it short circuited and spit him out in his rose garden?
Those two things struck me as major gaffes last night.
1. Previous to Regina stating that she knew about Emma, we had no clue.
2. J's disappearance and haberdashery efforts at the end of his last ep made it seem like he was stuck in Wonderland or somewhere other than Storybrooke.
They did pull a save by having Henry deliberately eat that apple turnover. Little man totally committed.
I just love Gold. I was sure that Regina was going to offer up Belle to get his cooperation. I suppose she will hold onto that little ace in the hole until she has no other options.
I really thought Jefferson had headed through a rabbit hole courtesy of Emma. Maybe it short circuited and spit him out in his rose garden?
Those two things struck me as major gaffes last night.
1. Previous to Regina stating that she knew about Emma, we had no clue.
2. J's disappearance and haberdashery efforts at the end of his last ep made it seem like he was stuck in Wonderland or somewhere other than Storybrooke.
They did pull a save by having Henry deliberately eat that apple turnover. Little man totally committed.
I just love Gold. I was sure that Regina was going to offer up Belle to get his cooperation. I suppose she will hold onto that little ace in the hole until she has no other options.
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