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Once Upon a Time (ABC) - 1x02 till the bitter end

THEY CANCELLED EUREKA!!!!

So she's free, but I thought the show had come to a natural conclusion not that it had been capped in the back of the head...

have you ever seen Roomates.

Awful

Until Felicia shows up stalking the male lead with such psychotic endearing charm.

(Where the frack is the guild the movie!?)

What were we talking about?

Mermaids.

I could see that.
 
Eureka wasn't "capped". It was cancelled before the final season has even aired. It got a finale. Besides, Felicia was never a regular cast member.

Claudia Black as Ariel??? no. not even close.
 
I really liked this latest episode. Totally didn't see the twist about Red being the wolf coming - first thought it would be Granny, then was sucked into believing it's Peter, then "OMG what an awful way to die." Is this an actually original twist on the Red Riding Hood story, or at least really rare? Also liked Ruby's part in Storybrooke overall. I think it's safe to say she's gonna go wolfish, but what will she think when she gets her memories back?

Once again, while the Queen didn't appear and the Mayor had only a perfunctory scene, and very little Henry, I found myself honestly not minding too much. I liked Snow's stuff but the Mary Margaret/David ongoing drama... meh? Though the introduction of the heart (Katherine's presumably?) is a nice development and I look forward to seeing where things go with that.

Is it just me, or does the actress playing Ruby look a lot like Michelle Forbes circa TNG; it seemed really striking during the closing diner scene especially.

Claudia Black as Ariel??? no. not even close.

Claudia Black as Red's mom? Nah, we'll probably never see her. Hmm, she could make a good villainess...
 
So I guess Ruby is no longer in danger of turning into a wolf in Storybrooke? Because my original understanding was just that the curse removed their memories, and not who they actually are.

We did see a wolf around Storybrooke on several occasions, although it might have been the Huntsman's pet.
Or maybe the wolf curse simply got weaker like with Granny. They have been in the real world for quite some time and Ruby seemed to have hightened senses in the wood.
 
I like that we're having a bit of a break from Emma and the Mayor scowling at each other all the time. The twists in this episode took me by surprise.

One thing I am wondering though is presumably Regina wants Mary Margaret and/or David to be convicted of murder, but if no-one can leave Storybrooke how are they going to get to court or prison?
 
Now I'm caught up. Fantastic episode, which really puts paid to the criticism that Ruby was just there for the eye candy factor. A few folks have noted that she actually looks and acts more mature as Red than she does as Ruby. Interesting effect of the curse.

And of course we're now presented with the first real example of a Storybrooke resident who will NOT be well-served if Emma ever does break the curse. That's actually a dilemma I hadn't expected the show to present, but think about it - most of the people in Storybrooke would probably have better lives if they were allowed to go back. Except for Ruby who faces existence as a werewolf.

Has anyone started to pick up a serious Twin Peaks vibe with this show in recent weeks too? It's always been there, but there've been a couple of moments in recent weeks where I half expected to see Dale Cooper sampling some of Granny's cherry pie at the diner.

Alex
 
Loved this episode, I bought into all the suspects they lined up for us to blame being a wolf on, and was surprised by it being Red, really cool, different twist.

Claudia Black as Ariel? Nah, too old, would look strange with Red hair, and Ariel, probably should have fuller hips than Claudia Black.

The heart is very intriguing, my first instinct after seeing the heart and seeing David "in a trance" was that Regina had taken David's Heart and he was now in her complete power.

Alex, I've never seen Twin Peaks, but, with each passing episode, I am more and more convinced my nickname for the Show (Desperate LOST Fairytales) is apt. They're shooting for the Demo of Desperate housewives, and the show is becoming so LOST-like, with they way they are weaving in Flashbacks, out of Chronological Order, the twists and mysteries. Once thing this show has LOST suffered from, is this show admitted from the get-go that it was Fantasy with Magic and a curse and so forth, so, this show shouldn't suffer having to do crazy things that never go anywhere, since it's proud of it's genre. And honestly, the story could easily be seen as a reworking of LOST, Storybrooke being the Island and everyone wanting to get home, except for those who happen to be cured by "The Island", such as Red/Rose
 
Claudia Black as Ariel? Nah, too old, would look strange with Red hair, and Ariel, probably should have fuller hips than Claudia Black.

Yeah, not Ariel. But there are I'm sure plenty of other characters that she'd rock as. Definitely would love to see her guest star as something.

Alex, I've never seen Twin Peaks, but, with each passing episode, I am more and more convinced my nickname for the Show (Desperate LOST Fairytales) is apt. They're shooting for the Demo of Desperate housewives, and the show is becoming so LOST-like, with they way they are weaving in Flashbacks, out of Chronological Order, the twists and mysteries. Once thing this show has LOST suffered from, is this show admitted from the get-go that it was Fantasy with Magic and a curse and so forth, so, this show shouldn't suffer having to do crazy things that never go anywhere, since it's proud of it's genre. And honestly, the story could easily be seen as a reworking of LOST, Storybrooke being the Island and everyone wanting to get home, except for those who happen to be cured by "The Island", such as Red/Rose
And I've never seen Lost, so we're even! ;)

Actually that's not quite true. I never watched it regularly. The problem I had with Lost was I started watching it, missed a few episodes, and was - pun not intended - completely lost because of the flashbacks and jumping back and forth. And I frankly found the flashbacks when I'd "parachute in" occasionally rather dull. I wanted them to be back on the island.

OUAT differs IMO in a few ways. First, the flashbacks, while out of order, aren't as difficult to keep track of. Lost was notorious for having to do recap episodes to help people figure out what was going on. I don't know if OUAT needs to do that. That said, once the show is properly out on DVD expect someone to do some "fan edits" stitching together the flashbacks in chronological order.

And I don't get the same "get us back to the island" feeling because both the storybook land and Storybrooke are able to maintain themselves with interesting storyline (plus Storybrooke is right now the only one with Jennifer Morrison which gives it an edge).

Desperate Housewives is a soap opera. OUAT isn't . I was amused but also concerned early on that they might have been headed in the Alexis vs. Krystal direction (a la Dynasty) with Emma and Regina - the bit where Emma cut down Regina's tree was classic Dynasty shtick - but so far they've avoided that.

The only major issue - and a show like this can't fix it - is it requires a large cast. And in 42 minutes a week they have no choice but to have down weeks for some characters. Mr. Gold/Rumples, who is arguably the iconic character of this series (he's to OUAT what Sylar became to Heroes) wasn't even in this last episode. And it took half a season before Ruby got to do more than look sexy in a mini-skirt. We may not see Belle (my favorite of the storybook characters) again this season for all we know. They need to maintain the balance, otherwise if Mr Gold is the character people tune in to see but the show goes 3-4 weeks focusing on, I dunno, the Jiminy Cricket analog, they'll lose viewers. Likewise, they can't go too long without giving Ginnifer Goodwin, Jennifer Morrison and Lana Parrilla (none of whom I'd ever heard of before OUAT came along, but apparently all with fanbases from shows like Big Love and House) some prime time exposure. Me, I'd like to see Grumpy/Leroy get a spin-off. He rocks.


Alex
 
Actually LOST's recaps were used after airing gaps (IE: End of Year hiatus; Summer hiatus) and sometimes to prepare you for the Finale.

A big reason for the recaps' need was LOST threw too many mysteries at you week after week (Some psoters on the ABC LOST board had lists of 100s of unresolved mysteries, they'd complain about wanting answers to) for the general audience to keep track of, so the recaps, were actually to focus the audience and remind them of the stuff important to the upcoming run of episodes (IE: a warning to remember mystery # 371, #453, and #728 to get the best enjoyment of what would advance storywise in the near future). Plus, heavily arc'ed shows didn't become commonplace until after LOST became a hit, so the General Audience wasn't accustomed to have to keep track plot developments, but, even some older shows had "previously on" segments at the beginning of an episode (Mostly for multi-parters, but, not always)

Actually, as a regular viewer, most of the flashbacks were not boring, and many of them were greatly looked forward to (Spoilers would tell you who each episode was centered around)
 
OUAT adopts the LOST storytelling format--non-linear storytelling, flashbacks, large ensemble cast--but frankly like so many LOST wannabes(Invasion, FlashForward, The Event, Alcatraz etc) OUAT can't pull it off. Personally the characters are pretty bland, the romance is stale however it does remind me of LOSt season 2 where the stories are drawn out and a lot of time feels like it is spinning its wheels.
 
Yeah, I'm a HUGE Lost fan, and there were a few episodes where the flashbacks were better than the island story. But to really get the most out of them, you did have to be familiar with, and emotionally invested in, the characters they were focusing on.
 
OUAT adopts the LOST storytelling format--non-linear storytelling, flashbacks, large ensemble cast--but frankly like so many LOST wannabes(Invasion, FlashForward, The Event, Alcatraz etc) OUAT can't pull it off. Personally the characters are pretty bland, the romance is stale however it does remind me of LOSt season 2 where the stories are drawn out and a lot of time feels like it is spinning its wheels.

I don't know, I think OUAT is a lot more episodic in format, unlike Lost where pretty much every episode was a cliffhanger. I enjoy OUAT. It's not groundbreaking, but it is fun.
 
OUAT adopts the LOST storytelling format--non-linear storytelling, flashbacks, large ensemble cast--but frankly like so many LOST wannabes(Invasion, FlashForward, The Event, Alcatraz etc) OUAT can't pull it off. Personally the characters are pretty bland, the romance is stale however it does remind me of LOSt season 2 where the stories are drawn out and a lot of time feels like it is spinning its wheels.

I don't know, I think OUAT is a lot more episodic in format, unlike Lost where pretty much every episode was a cliffhanger. I enjoy OUAT. It's not groundbreaking, but it is fun.
Yup, and like I said in the first post along these lines, OUAT has the advantage of admitting to what it is with the Magic and Fantasy, LOST denied that aspect until the very end, and that caused LOST to do some really outlandishly failing things and gave many who believed it wasn't all magical a bitter taste in their mouth. I still personally enjoyed LOST, and even enjoyed the finale very much, but, they did make some very desperate moves in the end.
 
Smoke Monster, what Smoke Monster?

Seriously, that fuck started off as a complete mystery, and I shit you not, but "it" had a twitter feed by season seven that intersected with RL.
 
OAUT is somewhat episodic because they're going through all the characters' backstories now. But that's not going to last much beyond this season before we've pretty much learned everything, pre-Curse, that we need to, and then what?

I think they're going to need to change the format for next season, for instance, giving the characters a way to move between realities or trap some of them in the fairy tale reality or something like that. It's been fun, but it can't last. If they don't make some major change, this is going to be yet another of those shows that ran out of story before it ran out of time.
 
They'll try to reverse the curse, but end up in the land of Oz or something. :rommie:
 
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