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I don't think starmike was saying "because it was made in the 1960s, it is inferior".
Instead, I think that because it was made in the 1960s, the TV show looks like a 1960s TV show. However, that does not mean that the universe in which these series took place had tech that looked like 1960s tech.
The whole point of the 1960s production was to characterize a futuristic world full of technological wonders. THAT was the mission of the art design for TOS -- i.e., to give us a sense of a highly technological future. So if an art director was to fulfill that same mission today, the tech would be something that people today would see as looking futuristic, not what a 1960s art director felt looked futuristic.
I personally can't fathom why people take the "look" of TOS so literally when that look was more of a grand concept, not a hard-and-fast rule of "this is how everything must look". It's the concept that matters most, and while the overall mission of the art direction concept remains intact, that look can vary (and certainly has varied) with the era subsequent shows were/are made.
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"It's ludicrous -- The charm and success of [the original Star Trek] were based on the perfect mix of the characters -- and the actors playing those parts."
-- Fan complaints about Picard/Stewart, Riker/Frakes, Data/Spiner, et al in 1987.
To quote nuBSG:-- Fan complaints about Picard/Stewart, Riker/Frakes, Data/Spiner, et al in 1987.
"All of this has happened before and will happen again"
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Yeah, to date (if you don't include the feature films, but do include TAS it's happened five times since TOS first aired.
The opinions I've been reading are about what people have seen and there is nothing wrong with that otherwise this board would dead wouldn't it? I have zero problem contributing a reaction to what is currently out there or reading someone else's. They are as worthy as each other.
If people would restrain themselves and wait until they watched before making wild assumptions, then this place would be quieter. Quality, not quantity.
Assuming how a whole show will play out based on 4/900 minutes of footage is not quality.
That's just the nature of the beast. You give out samples.. people try them.. and then go from there. I'm sure when the episodes actually air in full it will be quantity and quality all over the place
I wonder though, in the material that has been used to promote the show why the war aspect has taken centre stage?
That's just the nature of the beast. You give out samples.. people try them.. and then go from there. I'm sure when the episodes actually air in full it will be quantity and quality all over the place
Because that's what pulls in viewers.
Trek fans are going to watch, regardless. You don't need to sell it to them.
The non-Trek fans are the ones you have to pull in, and that's how you do it.
The trailers have yet to fill me with confidence about the series. While others words seem more in line with Star Trek, the presentation so far really does not.
As for aesthetics. While the technobabble issue are largely irrelevant to me (I really don't care if "The Cage" used lasers or phasers, or if the USS Enterprise had reactors in the nacelles or a warp core under the floor boards), the visual look I think should be at least somewhat consistent for any given era just so that if one happens to have a time travel episode to one of these eras, the audience will know exactly when the characters are just on the look of the environment. If a mid-late 24th century ship somehow gets lost in the era of USS Discovery, I would expect it to have TNG-VOY look to its exterior and interior. If a ship arrives during the Romulan War, I would expect Earth and Vulcan ships seen in the era to look like those seen during ENT. TOS does have the leeway in starship design, because we see so little of Starfleet during the show. Only a few transports, freighters, and Constitution-class starships, with a few starbases and outposts here and there. There should probably be a similar visual vibe going on in other Starfleet ships based on what we see not only on the various Constitutions we see, but also the starbases and deep space stations, though those stations and Constitutions could be using an older design style. We don't know when the stations and bases were built, and the age of the Constitution-class as a whole in not clear given their wide range of hull numbers from at least NCC-1017 to at least NCC-1764.
It is entirely possible that Starfleet redid their interiors too whatever the style is of the 2260s sometime after Star Trek: Discovery. Maybe that had a better sense of hope and exploration and decided that more vibrant colors were preferable following the Klingon War. The 2270s direction, while drab, was more casual that before, perhaps reflecting more on the extended peace following the Organia Peace Treaty. This fell apart at some point prior to the 2280s when the maroons were instituted and war with the Klingons was a very real possibility leading up to and beyond the creation of the Genesis Project. The more military feel of Starfleet holds until possibly the tale end of the Cardassian Wars in the 2350s when the more vibrant and varied colors return after around 85 years. But when the Dominion comes, the uniforms go grey again, but return to colorful sometime in the aftermath, either in the 2380s or 2390s.
As for aesthetics. While the technobabble issue are largely irrelevant to me (I really don't care if "The Cage" used lasers or phasers, or if the USS Enterprise had reactors in the nacelles or a warp core under the floor boards), the visual look I think should be at least somewhat consistent for any given era just so that if one happens to have a time travel episode to one of these eras, the audience will know exactly when the characters are just on the look of the environment. If a mid-late 24th century ship somehow gets lost in the era of USS Discovery, I would expect it to have TNG-VOY look to its exterior and interior. If a ship arrives during the Romulan War, I would expect Earth and Vulcan ships seen in the era to look like those seen during ENT. TOS does have the leeway in starship design, because we see so little of Starfleet during the show. Only a few transports, freighters, and Constitution-class starships, with a few starbases and outposts here and there. There should probably be a similar visual vibe going on in other Starfleet ships based on what we see not only on the various Constitutions we see, but also the starbases and deep space stations, though those stations and Constitutions could be using an older design style. We don't know when the stations and bases were built, and the age of the Constitution-class as a whole in not clear given their wide range of hull numbers from at least NCC-1017 to at least NCC-1764.
It is entirely possible that Starfleet redid their interiors too whatever the style is of the 2260s sometime after Star Trek: Discovery. Maybe that had a better sense of hope and exploration and decided that more vibrant colors were preferable following the Klingon War. The 2270s direction, while drab, was more casual that before, perhaps reflecting more on the extended peace following the Organia Peace Treaty. This fell apart at some point prior to the 2280s when the maroons were instituted and war with the Klingons was a very real possibility leading up to and beyond the creation of the Genesis Project. The more military feel of Starfleet holds until possibly the tale end of the Cardassian Wars in the 2350s when the more vibrant and varied colors return after around 85 years. But when the Dominion comes, the uniforms go grey again, but return to colorful sometime in the aftermath, either in the 2380s or 2390s.
I read that Jonathan Frakes said that they are going to go to the mirror universe. Not sure if that is necessary. Most of the other Treks did that and the tribble, too. I never knew why they felt the need to do that. I find that the original version was good enough for me.
For the same reason these were the promos for TNG and DS9 back in 1987 and 1993 respectively (prior to the shows first airings):That's just the nature of the beast. You give out samples.. people try them.. and then go from there. I'm sure when the episodes actually air in full it will be quantity and quality all over the place
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Action and Explosions and Spectacle (read visual effects) supposedly make the general viewer go: "Ooooooooo...Ahhhhhhhh!" and they tune in.
......AND, those promos told me nothing about the story!
People who remember the "Encounter at Farpoint" promo giving information about the plot of the episode are remembering the promo used for the show during its syndication run.
The promos used for the premiere episode before it premiered did not give us much information about anything -- except the generic stuff about it being a new ship and new crew (promos like the TNG promo in the post above).
You know, no one forces you to come here and read all our petty complaints.
No, the synopsis about Farpoint was part of the video press kit distributed to stations by Paramount around August of 1987. I had a copy of it.
But they make me laugh!
Sure they did.
You're free to decide based on a couple minutes of video. I'm free to tell you that you don't have enough information to really know. To think otherwise is just fooling yourself.
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