Old or New Music for the new Trek film

[STARTREK11]

DanTheGrey said:
Mostly new with the old stuff linked in much the same way that John Williams did with the SW prequels. He managed to bring in the musical cues and snippets of the earlier music while still creating something that fit within the overall style.

I disagree.

The Star Wars prequels were absolute crap.

TERRIBLE ACTING.

AWFUL DIALOGUE.

CARTOONISH EFFECTS.


NO DRAMA.

NO TENSION.

THE ROTJ LIGHT SABRE FIGHT A BUGS BUNNY CARTOON WITH JUMPING,TWIRLING,CIRCUS CLOWN FAGGOTERY.


Sorry for the caps but I FEEL SO STRONGLY about this.



Everytime someone mentions the prequels i go ape.I cannot help it.I go into a rage .Inside me the fury of a thousand gods rages at the prequels and I just burst with exploseve emotional outbursts greater then Hurricane Katriana.



The music which was so prominent in the originals was bland,boring,and mixed to have zero emotional impact.

I cant even remember it at all.

It was so blandiefied by Lucas's psychopants

Waste of 9 hours of my life.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Uh... "StarTrek11"... the topic of conversation here is MUSIC. If you hated the SW Prequel MUSIC... talk about that. We don't really care about Jar Jar Binks right now... really.

 

[Charlie Kelly]

I'd love to see a mixture of old and new. At the very least I want to see a return of the Star Trek fanfare. Without any old music it's going to be more difficult for the movie to give the feeling that this is Star Trek. Music is very important and often overlooked.

Charlie

 

[Kegek]

I thought the Prequel music was fine. Each film had a good new theme: The Duel of the Fates, Across the Stars, and whatever the name was of the third one. John Williams' best work for Star Wars remains, in my view, The Empire Strikes Back, however.

But we're not getting any of the old composers. So I don't think it's as applicable artistically as it was in the case of Williams.

 

[johnconner]

TK421 said:What I'm REALLY hoping they do, is have stills during the end credits like the old episodes, but of encounters that we've never seen damatized

This ... now THIS, is a genius idea!

 

[gastrof]

One thing I never "forgave" TMP for was that it used a new themesong (the one that eventually became the TNG themesong).

With all the changes being hinted at in ship and tech design (and no doubt the uniforms), at LEAST give us the original themesong as the movie opens.

If they're smart, depending on how the movie opens, they might do well to give us a teaser, and fade to black, then show a field of moving stars with the first notes of the theme, as we hear the new Kirk say "Space...The final frontier..."

Then, have the credits use the same lettering style as the original (already strongly indicated), and play the original themesong.

During the film, some new music certainly wouldn't be out of place, but keeping a lot of the original series music would be a nice touch. New recordings and arrangements, but essentially the same.

 

[Basill]

I don't know. I loved the new theme (still do) and in TMP they gave us the original theme no less than 3 times during the movie. Now, I can say I have never forgiven them for not wide releasing that piece on any CD to this day, but that is a different story.

I too would love to hear the original theme in this film, but I don't require that the film open like an episode of Trek like it did in the 60's. I mean do we want a teaser? Must we have cliff-hanger commercial breaks with grand crescendo music to hearken their approach? I'll live with the original theme woven into the score, if we are that lucky.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

I'm afraid that people are misreading things a little bit here.

Nobody is suggesting, at least as far as I can tell, that the original compositions be used without alteration, are they? Nobody's suggesting that the original sheet music from one show or another be reused.

The issue is one of leitmotifs... the little "musical signatures"... and of general style and "feel."

Star Trek is FULL of motifs that are totally recognizable as Trek. When "South Park" reused them, the audience overwhelmingly recognized that they were doing riffs on Trek, for instance. And "South Park" never reused the main title-sequence trek stuff... it was always the more obscure bits.

A true master composer would recognize those little riffs... the TOS "Spock's theme" involving plucking bass guitar... the "Kirk's Command" fanfare... Scotty's theme (most commonly heard during the famous "It's GREEN" speech)... and so on.

When I, personally, say I want a lot of OLD music, what I mean is that I want it to be all NEW COMPOSITION, but I want the new compositions to refer to those old leitmotifs instead of inventing new ones in all cases.

If the film DOES incorporate those bits... it will bring itself just that much more fully into agreement with the original. It will create an emotional connection to the original for all of us who've seen the old show multiple times (which is far more than just the "hardcore fan base," realize!).

It will give the new film just that much more of the "feel" of the original. And we'll connect to it that much more easily.

Is it NECESSARY to do this in order to have a good movie? OF COURSE NOT. But it's something that cannot hurt and can definitely help.. and it would be silly not to give the film every possible advantage it can have.

I hope that makes the point a bit clearer for anyone who's been confused as to what, exactly, is being discussed here.

Nobody's saying "take the 1967 tapes and use them to score the 2008 film."

 

[Daedalus12]

I'll really happy if the music producer somehow incorporates Nightwish's The Poet and the Pendulum into the movie.

For the theme I want an altered piece but it'll have to contain the original motif.

 

[Basill]

Cary L. Brown said:
When I, personally, say I want a lot of OLD music, what I mean is that I want it to be all NEW COMPOSITION, but I want the new compositions to refer to those old leitmotifs instead of inventing new ones in all cases.
...

I hope that makes the point a bit clearer for anyone who's been confused as to what, exactly, is being discussed here.

Nobody's saying "take the 1967 tapes and use them to score the 2008 film."

Well, I understand and am totally in this camp.

 

[rgb1701]

I didn't like the choices in the poll, bu I voted for the 3rd option, mostly new with some old, with a caveat- ONLY if th new music is "in the style of" TOS.

Think The Incredibles soundtrack- in the style of 1960's Bond without duplicating it.

I want the style of TOS music- from the Cage through Season 3, depending on the mood of the scene and flow of the plot- with occasional cues and riffs ripped from TOS.

It ain't TOS without those big brassy riffs and emotional strings, as well as whimsical cues for the humorous parts...

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Mostly old, some new. People don't KNOW the old music, it'll be new to them!

 

[JacksonArcher]

Lurch83 said:
I would love to see Hans Zimmerman do this score.

You mean Hans Zimmer? Nah, he's good, but I don't think he's suited for the lush musical background that Star Trek requires.

I think Giacchino will do more than fine. I loved his score for Mission: Impossible III and his work on The Incredibles was ingenious. If it were a perfect world, I'd have John Ottman (Superman Returns), a self-professed Trekkie, do the score, with Bryan Singer directing, but it's not a perfect world (shucks) so Giacchino will have to do. And do more than fine I think he will.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

I voted for new music.

One of the ways you can 'modernize' Trek without messing up canon is through music, IMO.

Wouldn't mind the occasional snippet or theme every so often...but I'd like to see it be pretty much all new.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

For a Romulan War movie, I would have wanted the "In a Mirror, Darkly" theme.

But for ST XI? No idea. Maybe the TMP theme?

 

[MANT!]

I forsee something along the lines of what was done for TMP..a NEW score with homage paid to TOS's original theme..and possibly homage to Goldsmith's work as well...

 

[MyCylon]

Mostly new but with references to the original.

 

[Outpost4]

Mostly new, emo rock songs.

Actually, hiring a stalwart like a John Williams would be a nice touchstone to the past. New actors, new ship, new adventures but with a touch of the old-style orchestrated music at least, regardless of whether it quotes old themes, to tie the movie in with the past.

 

[MyCylon]

^
Williams finally scoring Trek - that would be fantastic IMHO. I'm all for it

 

[VulcanJedi]

Outhouse4 said:
Mostly new, emo rock songs.

Actually, hiring a stalwart like a John Williams would be a nice touchstone to the past. New actors, new ship, new adventures but with a touch of the old-style orchestrated music at least, regardless of whether it quotes old themes, to tie the movie in with the past.

Emo music--ha ha. That is the worst. And to think the Enterprise show had that crap! Dianne Warren! Blecch!


It sounds like the composer knows retro; so yes, hopefully he'll blend old with new. But, mostly old. The old music is way way better on every level. I really like Jerry Goldsmith, but that old music is so tempestuous and exhilerating and heartfelt and intimate.



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