Old Fans, their fears.

[Tuvok]

You know there has been a lot of vile from old school fans about Star Trek XI.

While I have at times found it confusing to really really frightening. Other times I find it somewhat childish that they are enraged that their ' Precious' has been defiled.

Then I thought to myself, I kinda get where they are coming from.

In some ways.

The thing is when they shout out original cannon and not my Star Trek they make it sound like some private club that noone else but people like them can join up.

They qoute what's wrong with it and how it's not real Star Trek. Just a soulless money making machine and so forth.

It's a movie it's meant to make money.

Just like the series.

Hollywood doesnt roll this stuff out for the fans.

However the main fear is that untill a tv Series shows up continuing adventures in the Prime Verse. For all intents and purposes this is the only Trek represented on screen.

And I ask myself how would that make me feel?

Frickin Pissed off.

Hell, thanks to the abysmall Enterprise series the next tv series of Trek might be based in the Nutrek Verse to sell.

I will proberly get a lot of negativity and you know what that is expected and proberly right to do so.

I enjoyed the Movie a lot.

Still, If a program I loved for forty plus years and its history was scrapped for something else. And that something else ended up representing the thing I loved for the forseeable future..

Yeah, a little bit of fear mixed with a lot of disgust.

 

[Jeri]

It's a myth that "old fans" don't like the movie. We do; there was already a thread on this.

 

[SalvorHardin]

I think you overestimate the numbers of old school fans that hate the movie and seriously underestimate the numbers of old school fans who loved it.
Check some polls, read reviews on the internet, read threads in here....The vast majority loved this movie and don't let some loud negative folks fool you into thinking otherwise

As for the "my old Trek was scrapped, erased and replaced for the new Trek by soulless Hollywood" bullshit.... I don't even want to start commenting on it anymore.

 

[Greg Cox]

It's a myth that "old fans" don't like the movie. We do; there was already a thread on this.

Agreed. I've been a fan since the original NBC days, back in the sixties, and I think the new movie is just what STAR TREK needed.

 

[SheliakBob]

Hey! I for one am glad that SOMEONE at least understands why some of us (and admittedly minority, yes) have problems with the new film.

When they say "It's not your father's Star Trek!" what they are in fact saying is that this is not MY Star Trek. I've always loved Star Trek. Trek and Trek fan culture has been an important part of my life for longer than a whole lot of folks hereabouts have been alive. I never, in a million years, dreamed that there would come a day when the Trek I know and love would be taken away from me and replaced with something else. Totally blindsided. I suppose I haven't reacted to that very well.

Now that I've seen the movie...I don't know entirely where I stand. I'm still sorting through my reactions to it. It WAS an entertaining film, and on face value that's all that should count. But there is another issue for me and one that causes me a great deal of emotional unrest.

I dunno.
Maybe I'll eventually adapt to the NuTrek and be able to enjoy it for what it is.
Maybe MY Trek will resurface--someday--in some form and my fears will be put to rest.

But, maybe, I'll just have to learn to embrace Space:1999 and let Trek go.
Now, isn't that enough to merit some small measure of anxiety?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It's a myth that "old fans" don't like the movie. We do; there was already a thread on this.

Agreed. I've been a fan since the original NBC days, back in the sixties, and I think the new movie is just what STAR TREK needed.

Exactly so. A minority of the folks who post here - somewhat less than 10 percent - really dislike this movie, and the percentage breakdown seems to be about the same for much older fans as for younger ones.

Another fan since 1966, here, who loves the movie.

 

[Borgminister]

It's a myth that "old fans" don't like the movie. We do; there was already a thread on this.

Agreed. I've been a fan since the original NBC days, back in the sixties, and I think the new movie is just what STAR TREK needed.

Exactly so. A minority of the folks who post here - somewhat less than 10 percent - really dislike this movie, and the percentage breakdown seems to be about the same for much older fans as for younger ones.

Another fan since 1966, here, who loves the movie.

Ditto.

 

[Psion]

Well, I guess that makes me the closest thing there is to a crotchety, old hater posting in this thread so far, and I ...

...

Rather liked the movie. Saw it three times so far, really wished they'd done a few things differently, but definitely had a good time.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

My Dad, who became a fan of the series probably at about 9:30pm on September 8, 1966, who was pretty apprehensive about new people playing TOS characters absolutely loved the movie.

I realize, also that there are fans who were there from the beginning who do not like this movie, and that's fine. It's also those differences that make the world a great place.

But, when you get the ones who tell you that you are not a fan because you like this movie or this is not Star Trek need to calm down a bit. If you were a true fan, you'd step back and realize that everyone has different opinions, likes and dislikes. That embracing of differences is what is behind Star Trek in the first place.

 

[True Trek Fan]

I find this post rather amusing linking being an 'old' fan and being 'fearful' of the new film. It's not fear of a new Star Trek film that makes some old fans like myself upset when I saw it, but rather its the fact the movie lacked both the Sat Trek aesthetic and storyline that made TOS a great series to watch. It's not fear of seeing new actors playing roles of the original crew but rather its the extreme disapointment of watching primary characters altered almost beyond recognition.

PS: One day I suppose some of the younger fans will grow old and will go to the cinema and watch a film based on their childhood viewing and only then will some people get it and say, Jesus I can't believe what I'm seeing they changed everything around, what a waste of a film! Now perhaps some of you younger folks may have experienced this already as I am too old for the Transformers generation but I know many fans of the cartoon really didn't care for the movie modern updates and the changes of car models.

 

[Cakes488]

As for the "my old Trek was scrapped, erased and replaced for the new Trek by soulless Hollywood" bullshit.... I don't even want to start commenting on it anymore.

Even though I liked the movie I can completely see where people are coming from when they say the nuTrek has no soul...because it didn't.

You all have to understand people (some fans) have high standards when it comes to Trek...especially TOS and we expect a lot out of it...and I know that we are expecting too much of it for the the new millenia...I don't feel that they will do a story that satifies our mind, heart and soul.....we're just in for "fun rides" from here on out.

 

[Jeri]

I don't consider myself soulless, and I wouldn't go see a movie 16 times that could be characterized as such. The soul of the movie is in Kirk, his parents, Robau, Pike, Spock, McCoy, Uhura and the other characters. The cast is the soul of this movie.

 

[Tuvok]

It's good to be wrong.

I had done some research prior, and did find their was quite a few old fans who where very angry due to the reboot.

Is reboot correct?

Proberly not.

My point, is that while a quite a few of us loved the film a gut instinct to react with equal hostility to old school fans who despise the film.

I guess, I'm just saying they there not to be negative or downers. They are fans of Trek as well. Fans of forty plus years of history who will not be overjoyed at the prospect untill further notice Nutrek will be the only Trek onscreen.

Should they be? I don't think so but that doesn't mean that they should'nt.

You love something, you love it with your whole heart.

And if something happens to it, if it too the reboot you it takes away what makes Star Trek special.

Yeah, I understand.

I wont agree, but I understand.

And I respect that.

 

[Qonos]

I find this post rather amusing linking being an 'old' fan and being 'fearful' of the new film. It's not fear of a new Star Trek film that makes some old fans like myself upset when I saw it, but rather its the fact the movie lacked both the Sat Trek aesthetic and storyline that made TOS a great series to watch. It's not fear of seeing new actors playing roles of the original crew but rather its the extreme disapointment of watching primary characters altered almost beyond recognition.

I'm still trying to figure out how this movie lacked what makes Star Trek, Star Trek. I really think some of the fans who hate this movie are using what THEY REMEMBER and HOW THEY REMEMBER on what was ACTUALLY Trek.

But the again Perception in reality, Yet we still must hold an objective eye.

I've seen every episode of trek (up to voyager where that seires lost me) and this felt like TOS. It Felt like Star Trek. Sure there was no heavy handed smack you in the head message, but then again not every episode of TOS had that.

I'm not quite sure what was so great about the Cereal Box sets of TOS and we've seen that they just do not translate well with newer better cameras and technology (This is my opinion having seen Trials and Tribulations and IN a Mirror Darkly, I wasn't all that impressed with how the old sets looked in those episodes.)

Alot of the stuff some fans get upset about are also things that are written in side referance books that were put out to satiate fan curiosity and aren't really that integral to how Trek Science actually works (Or doesn't in some cases)

Now I can see if people don't like it because they just didn't like it, but the movie really wasn't dumbed down anymore than TOS was (In fact later Trek has the problem of trying to Smarten itself up too much coming off as Quasi-intellecutal.) I can see you not liking the Design astetic (But really it's not that much of a departure from TOS so maybe the sets weren't something you were really in love with in the first place) I can see people not liking it because the story was a little thin (It was I can't argue that, but it was a Character driven story with out alot of exposition, which really would have taken MOST of the auidance out of the movie) Not everyone likes Vanilla Ice Cream, and not everyone is going to like every movie, but the numbers and the response on fan boards has been mostly positive for the movie. If a few people don't like it it's fine, but the big thing is they need to stop saying that this is the death of trek, because the heart of it is still beating as proven by the fact that a Star Trek movie could actually bring in 300million plus dollars.

 

[SalvorHardin]

As for the "my old Trek was scrapped, erased and replaced for the new Trek by soulless Hollywood" bullshit.... I don't even want to start commenting on it anymore.

Even though I liked the movie I can completely see where people are coming from when they say the nuTrek has no soul...because it didn't.

You all have to understand people (some fans) have high standards when it comes to Trek...especially TOS and we expect a lot out of it...and I know that we are expecting too much of it for the the new millenia...I don't feel that they will do a story that satifies our mind, heart and soul.....we're just in for "fun rides" from here on out.

I'm sorry but as I said in the previous post...bullshit

Of course,as everything else, the movie is not perfect but there are hundreds of posts in this very forum and hundreds of threads were people analyze and comment on how in addition to having fun they have found both heart and soul. How it was genuine Star Trek to them. It had optimism, excitement, emotion, humor and all sorts of themes.

And no, they are not unwashed mashes or mtv generation teens or any other such nonsense some say to feel superior and enlightened.
it's perfectly fine if someone doesn't like the movie. Just don't use arguments that are completely detached from reality.

Anyway,these things have been discussed around here 1000 times. Nothing came from it then, I don't expect anything will come of it now.

 

[Franklin]

You love something, you love it with your whole heart.

And if something happens to it, if it too the reboot you it takes away what makes Star Trek special.

I am a BIG Minnesota Vikings fan in the NFL. HUGE. (Trust me, this is going somewhere.) As a youngster, I watched my heroes lose four Super Bowls. Tarkenton, Foreman, Gilliam, Page, Eller, Marshall, Hillgenberg, I can still name the starting eleven on offense and defense.

When, or if, the Vikings finally win a Super Bowl, I'll party for a week. But a part of me will feel that it's not the same. It's still the Vikings, I'll still be happy, but it's not my childhood heroes winning. And, I'd trade the victory so they could have just one back in the 1970s. But I can't. So, I'd take this.

Same here with Trek. It's fine to be nostalgic for the past. It's fine to recognize whatever comes next will never quite be the same. But if the love for the game is there, that doesn't go away just because time passes. I didn't stop rooting for the Vikings just because my favorite players left or retired. I don't see why anyone who loves Star Trek can't feel the same way. It's silly to not like Star Trek just because the characters are played by different actors and the timeline is different. If the love of Trek is there, then ST09 should be a welcome gift. Something you thought you may never see again. Something to enjoy. Even if in your heart you realize it's not entirely the same.

 

[Jeri]

Franklin, did you ever read Fourth and One, by Lee Grosscup? I loved that book; very amusing and illuminating.

 

[Franklin]

Franklin, did you ever read Fourth and One, by Lee Grosscup? I loved that book; very amusing and illuminating.

No. Thanks for pointing it out. Grosscup was a bit before my time, but it sounds like something I'd like to read.

 

[Aragorn]

On this board, the amount of "I worship the old canon and despise everything new" posts were a bit disproportionate since it was just the same four or five posters posting their hate every ten minutes. Some of their screen names are also quite telling, as they're trying way too hard to point out that they and only they know what Trek is truly about.

 

[VulcanJedi]

It's a myth that "old fans" don't like the movie. We do; there was already a thread on this.

Agreed. I've been a fan since the original NBC days, back in the sixties, and I think the new movie is just what STAR TREK needed.

Exactly so. A minority of the folks who post here - somewhat less than 10 percent - really dislike this movie, and the percentage breakdown seems to be about the same for much older fans as for younger ones.

Another fan since 1966, here, who loves the movie.

Any fan, even a fan with half his brain tied behind his back could acknowledge this was a good film. It's almost as if J.J. Abrams was given talent on loan from God. Mega-Dittos.