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Oh, No, another Slap on the Wrist from Janeway.

In the Twenty Third Century, all species that have come to join both The Federation and Starfleet promise to uphold and respect the principles that form the foundation of each.

When I mentioned in my earlier post that all of Voyager's crewmembers are human, I was speaking in a figurative sense. All of my Officers chose to follow the principles set out by Starfleet and The Federation and are treated equally whilst under my command.

Yes, using the word "human" was a little short sighted, but as I am addressing others of the human species, the word "human" is the most relevant word I could use to encompass the identical qualities and short comings of all Starfleet and Federation member species.

As living beings, we all make mistakes. These mistakes can be relatively harmless or in cases can be life threatening. In our unique situation, I must consider all facts relating to an incident and look at the repercussions of both the incident itself and how I deal with it.

I do not have the luxury to spare any crewmember from performing their duties by locking them in The Brig for an indescretion during the rest of the journey home. The only way I can successfully fulfill my promise to the crew of getting them home, is by having all of Voyager's crew working with the utmost conviction and confidence.
 
Got it Captain.... or should I say Cadet? ;)

Surely you, the great KJ herself, would never ever make any mistakes though??
 
I acknowledge my mistakes and learn from them, being a Starfleet Captain, I have had my fair share of actions result in unfavourable circumstances, not just for myself but for others also. I do not blame people for their mistakes but I do expect that they rectify them and this is a principle that I hold, even against myself.
 
In the Twenty Third Century, all species that have come to join both The Federation and Starfleet promise to uphold and respect the principles that form the foundation of each.

When I mentioned in my earlier post that all of Voyager's crewmembers are human, I was speaking in a figurative sense. All of my Officers chose to follow the principles set out by Starfleet and The Federation and are treated equally whilst under my command.

Yes, using the word "human" was a little short sighted, but as I am addressing others of the human species, the word "human" is the most relevant word I could use to encompass the identical qualities and short comings of all Starfleet and Federation member species.

As living beings, we all make mistakes. These mistakes can be relatively harmless or in cases can be life threatening. In our unique situation, I must consider all facts relating to an incident and look at the repercussions of both the incident itself and how I deal with it.

I do not have the luxury to spare any crewmember from performing their duties by locking them in The Brig for an indescretion during the rest of the journey home. The only way I can successfully fulfill my promise to the crew of getting them home, is by having all of Voyager's crew working with the utmost conviction and confidence.

http://www.moviequotes.com/fullquote.cgi?qnum=124461Chekov: We do believe that all planets have a sovereign claim to inalienable human rights.
Azetbur: 'In-alien...' If you could only hear yourselves. 'Human rights.' Why, even the very name is racist.

:borg:

I think "sentient being" would probably be a more relevant word; after all, there's Vorta, Vulcans, Romulans, and at least one each of Andorians and Minbari on this board. :vulcan::D
 
I stated MY opinion that not liking Janeway because she didn't pay enough attention to the "Native American hunk" is a silly reason to dislike her (and a rationale I suspect that springs from between the legs, rather than from the between the ears). As it stands, this is also an opinion I'm entitled to express.

You're entitled to express an opinion but you're not entitled to make personal remarks about those you disagree with.

Besides, your logic is flawed. Janeway has plenty of female fans who view her as a role model/inspiration.

Who did I make a "personal remark" against? Quote me, please. I voiced a theory about a particular mindset, not an individual person. As it stands, I have no intention of entertaining persecution complexes.

And I have no idea where you got the second part from. I wasn't talking about whether Janeway fans were male or female.
 
Don't get me wrong, I like flawed characters. They're more interesting.

I just don't like Janeway.

And, guess what? I'm entitled to have that opinion on this board, whether you think it has any validity or not.

Eh?

I didn't say anything about whether anybody's opinion is "valid" or whether they're entitled to it. I stated MY opinion that not liking Janeway because she didn't pay enough attention to the "Native American hunk" is a silly reason to dislike her (and a rationale I suspect that springs from between the legs, rather than from the between the ears). As it stands, this is also an opinion I'm entitled to express.

Actually, when you start discussing my "rationale" and whether it comes from "between the legs" or "between the ears," you're discussing me and not the subject, and that's not an opinion you're entitled to express.

And you're wrong, anyway.

I don't find Janeway an effective leader--for that reason and for many others.

But, since you believe I'm arguing with my vagina rather than my head (interesting speculation, I must say), it's really pointless to continue to discuss this or any other matter with you.

Good day.

I was discussing A rationale, not YOUR rationale. There's a slight difference, and if you can quote me where I said it was YOUR rationale, go right ahead. However, I don't particularly care for melodrama, and if you get the vapors because I said I have a hunch about the origins of a particular mindset from a particular type of fan in regards to Chakotard and Janeway, then I doubt there's much of anything I can say about the characters in question that you won't interpret as a personal attack.

My opinions spring from interactions from VOY fans from across the wide expanse of the internet, and from similiar scifi fandoms. Believe me, it is not now, nor will it ever be, all about you.
 
Square, enough thread grandstanding. Take it to pm or use the "Ignore" function if you need to.

Back to topic...
 
I am amazed there were no lasting repercussions on the Doctor for betraying his "family" in Flesh and Blood when it is so easy to punish, castrate of lobotomist the fellow. Hell with the speed function and memory patches, Kathy could have forced the poor bastard to be imprisoned virtually some place awful like New Zealand for a century with out losing access to their doctor for more than a few moments.

After that?

Returned his "freedom"?

Would he really want to stay?

I mean, Tom suffered 30 days in the brig for saving a backward culture form murdering itself, but how may times was he going to put int he brig for thirty days while observing the doctor and seven get awy with blue bloody murder before he just legged it for real?
 
I don't believe I have ever murdered or tortured my own crew, they all know that I expect them to uphold the values and principles of the Federation as well as the Protocols set out by Starfleet.

Tom Paris may well have saved the Moneans but in doing so he broke the Starfleet Prime Directive. Such actions from a Starfleet Officer are not acceptable.


 
How soon you forget Noah Lessing and Tuvix.

Tuvok did eaxctly the same when he stole the transporter tech from the Sikarians, but did he get 30 days in the brig? No, your Vulcan buddy was promoted. B'Elanna took an infertile species of homicidal nay, genocidal robots and taught them how to make babies, not to mention fired a weapon thousands of times more powerful than the torpedoes Tom used at a civilized target, missed and almost accidently clipped a target a thousand times more civilized and the worst you did to her was almost tell her she was banned from making out with Tommy in Engineering.

No matter the wonderful things you did well Kathy, you're a beast of hypocritcal conficting forgotten double standards who chews morality into cud 7 times out of twelve when you're pressed against the wall.
 
Regarding Noah Lessing and Tuvix, Noah had willingly participated in the mass murder of innocent beings just for his and the rest of his crews own convienence. And as far as I am aware, Crewman Lessing is still serving onboard Voyager. I have also stated my reasons as to why "killing" Tuvix was not murder but a necessity for the safety of the crew.

Perhaps leniency was shown to Tuvok, partly as he is a dear friend whom I trust but most of all because he is the senior security officer on this ship. Again if I were to throw him in the Brig, Voyager and her crew would have suffered far more than Tuvok would have. Betraying my wishes and disobeying my orders is a far harsher punishment for Mr Tuvok.

When B'Elanna Torres and the other Maquis members joined the Voyager crew it was on the understanding that they integrated with the rest of the Officers, what they did or didn't do before this period was NOT my concern nor my responsibility.

Torres was captured by the Mokra Order where, as a matter of life and death, she was forced to create a replication unit, something which any Starfleet Officer would have done in her position. She knew that by complying with her captors orders, she may have a chance to put a stop to the pointless battle.

In regards to the Dreadnought, her actions could not have been predicted, it was not due to her that the missile was transported half way across the galaxy by The Caretaker and she successfully averted any crisis.

As for spouting morality when I'm pressed against the wall, every action I have taken has been in order to protect my crew, I could have taken the easy route like Captain Ransom but I didn't. I stuck to Starfleet protocols just as I expect out of each and every one of my crew.

We're in a situation that is far removed from anything encountered before, there are times when both myself and my crew have waivered in our efforts to uphold our principles and regulations, but then who wouldn't?

We all make decisions based on what we think is right or wrong and we can't predict the consequences of these decisions. Every decision made by myself and my crew are made in our best efforts to maintain our professionalism as well as to ensure the safety of both the ship and any individuals we come into contact with.

I'm sure its easy to judge decisions made having not been in the same position but if there was the possibility you had been, you would also find it difficult to balance these decisions to protect everyone concerned.
 
Directive 101 (Voy: Meld.) assures every citizen of the federation the right to remain silent. It is criminal to coerce any information out of any bloke just because you have decided they are disavowed from basic civil rights any federation Citizen is due. Do you awkwardly believe freedom should be doled out on a sliding scale metered by some arbitrary Santa Clausian determination about who is naughty and who is nice?

My best theory about why he hasn't shived you in the shower after 2 years in space, if he isn't dead, is that he likes being tied to a chair and tortured by a beautiful woman like any other decent healthy self loathing gentleman.

So what if you have a brill reason, it's a shame you can't also admit that you had to be a bastard criminal to win the day out, because staining your moral purity till it's black as tar is a fair price to pay for saving the day.

You're claiming nepotism and classicism, one rule for the inner circle and another for the lower decks, is why you left Tuvok alone? Leaders are pulled from their throwns and strung up from lamposts for pulling that sort crap laying unfair unequal laws on a prolitariate.

You're just not trying to bait me?

Your crew is tiny, and your oath is to die, and kill your crew before breaking the Prime Directive. You're forcing your will on civilizations numbeing into the billions just to safeguard a hundred and 50 people. A sane person would admit that those numbers are the slightest lopsided.

Pishaw.
 
Regarding Noah Lessing and Tuvix, Noah had willingly participated in the mass murder of innocent beings just for his and the rest of his crews own convienence. And as far as I am aware, Crewman Lessing is still serving onboard Voyager. I have also stated my reasons as to why "killing" Tuvix was not murder but a necessity for the safety of the crew.

Perhaps leniency was shown to Tuvok, partly as he is a dear friend whom I trust but most of all because he is the senior security officer on this ship. Again if I were to throw him in the Brig, Voyager and her crew would have suffered far more than Tuvok would have. Betraying my wishes and disobeying my orders is a far harsher punishment for Mr Tuvok.

When B'Elanna Torres and the other Maquis members joined the Voyager crew it was on the understanding that they integrated with the rest of the Officers, what they did or didn't do before this period was NOT my concern nor my responsibility.

Torres was captured by the Mokra Order where, as a matter of life and death, she was forced to create a replication unit, something which any Starfleet Officer would have done in her position. She knew that by complying with her captors orders, she may have a chance to put a stop to the pointless battle.

In regards to the Dreadnought, her actions could not have been predicted, it was not due to her that the missile was transported half way across the galaxy by The Caretaker and she successfully averted any crisis.

As for spouting morality when I'm pressed against the wall, every action I have taken has been in order to protect my crew, I could have taken the easy route like Captain Ransom but I didn't. I stuck to Starfleet protocols just as I expect out of each and every one of my crew.

We're in a situation that is far removed from anything encountered before, there are times when both myself and my crew have waivered in our efforts to uphold our principles and regulations, but then who wouldn't?

We all make decisions based on what we think is right or wrong and we can't predict the consequences of these decisions. Every decision made by myself and my crew are made in our best efforts to maintain our professionalism as well as to ensure the safety of both the ship and any individuals we come into contact with.

I'm sure its easy to judge decisions made having not been in the same position but if there was the possibility you had been, you would also find it difficult to balance these decisions to protect everyone concerned.

Excuse me Captain, I just have to correct you on one point. Torres wasn't captured by the Mokra Order and forced to create a replication unit, it was the Pralor who kidnapped her and forced her to do that. Fortunately she destroyed that replication unit before being beamed back to Voyager.

The Mokra were the rulers on that planet where Caylem, the old man who thought you were his daughter, saved your life.
 
Regarding Noah Lessing and Tuvix, Noah had willingly participated in the mass murder of innocent beings just for his and the rest of his crews own convienence. And as far as I am aware, Crewman Lessing is still serving onboard Voyager. I have also stated my reasons as to why "killing" Tuvix was not murder but a necessity for the safety of the crew.

Perhaps leniency was shown to Tuvok, partly as he is a dear friend whom I trust but most of all because he is the senior security officer on this ship. Again if I were to throw him in the Brig, Voyager and her crew would have suffered far more than Tuvok would have. Betraying my wishes and disobeying my orders is a far harsher punishment for Mr Tuvok.

When B'Elanna Torres and the other Maquis members joined the Voyager crew it was on the understanding that they integrated with the rest of the Officers, what they did or didn't do before this period was NOT my concern nor my responsibility.

Torres was captured by the Mokra Order where, as a matter of life and death, she was forced to create a replication unit, something which any Starfleet Officer would have done in her position. She knew that by complying with her captors orders, she may have a chance to put a stop to the pointless battle.

In regards to the Dreadnought, her actions could not have been predicted, it was not due to her that the missile was transported half way across the galaxy by The Caretaker and she successfully averted any crisis.

As for spouting morality when I'm pressed against the wall, every action I have taken has been in order to protect my crew, I could have taken the easy route like Captain Ransom but I didn't. I stuck to Starfleet protocols just as I expect out of each and every one of my crew.

We're in a situation that is far removed from anything encountered before, there are times when both myself and my crew have waivered in our efforts to uphold our principles and regulations, but then who wouldn't?

We all make decisions based on what we think is right or wrong and we can't predict the consequences of these decisions. Every decision made by myself and my crew are made in our best efforts to maintain our professionalism as well as to ensure the safety of both the ship and any individuals we come into contact with.

I'm sure its easy to judge decisions made having not been in the same position but if there was the possibility you had been, you would also find it difficult to balance these decisions to protect everyone concerned.

Excuse me Captain, I just have to correct you on one point. Torres wasn't captured by the Mokra Order and forced to create a replication unit, it was the Pralor who kidnapped her and forced her to do that. Fortunately she destroyed that replication unit before being beamed back to Voyager.

The Mokra were the rulers on that planet where Caylem, the old man who thought you were his daughter, saved your life.
I think you just found a Changling, Lynx.:lol:
 
Excuse me Captain, I just have to correct you on one point. Torres wasn't captured by the Mokra Order and forced to create a replication unit, it was the Pralor who kidnapped her and forced her to do that. Fortunately she destroyed that replication unit before being beamed back to Voyager.

The Mokra were the rulers on that planet where Caylem, the old man who thought you were his daughter, saved your life.
The Array I am using is fairly unstable, reconfiguring for this type of technology was not easy.

My point is, Torres was able to passify her captors and avert any disaster.

Directive 101 (Voy: Meld.) assures every citizen of the federation the right to remain silent. It is criminal to coerce any information out of any bloke just because you have decided they are disavowed from basic civil rights any federation Citizen is due. Do you awkwardly believe freedom should be doled out on a sliding scale metered by some arbitrary Santa Clausian determination about who is naughty and who is nice?

My best theory about why he hasn't shived you in the shower after 2 years in space, if he isn't dead, is that he likes being tied to a chair and tortured by a beautiful woman like any other decent healthy self loathing gentleman.

So what if you have a brill reason, it's a shame you can't also admit that you had to be a bastard criminal to win the day out, because staining your moral purity till it's black as tar is a fair price to pay for saving the day.
Perhaps things did get heavy handed in Lessing's case but one of my crew were in danger and I was using any leverage we had in order to find the Equinox.

Lessing realises, as do the other Equinox officers, that their actions were unacceptable and they now have to live with the choices they made.


You're claiming nepotism and classicism, one rule for the inner circle and another for the lower decks, is why you left Tuvok alone? Leaders are pulled from their throwns and strung up from lamposts for pulling that sort crap laying unfair unequal laws on a prolitariate.

You're just not trying to bait me?
I am not claiming anything of the sort, as I have said before, I need to interact and guide the crew in a capacity that the simple title of Starfleet Captain cannot give. My personal relationship with Tuvok gives me insight into his personality, I knew that my disappointment in his disregard for my orders would be more a punishment to him than a period in The Brig.

I handle each crewmember based on their personalities, but I would not say that a class system or favouritism exists on Voyager.

Your crew is tiny, and your oath is to die, and kill your crew before breaking the Prime Directive. You're forcing your will on civilizations numbeing into the billions just to safeguard a hundred and 50 people. A sane person would admit that those numbers are the slightest lopsided.

Pishaw.
My crew is far from small and my oath is not to die, I also disagree with your claims that my will has been forced upon civilizations. Voyager has helped countless races and individuals in a manner of different circumstances, a great deal of the negative consequences of these actions are due to the short sightedness or greed of the people themselves.
 
Excuse me Captain, I just have to correct you on one point. Torres wasn't captured by the Mokra Order and forced to create a replication unit, it was the Pralor who kidnapped her and forced her to do that. Fortunately she destroyed that replication unit before being beamed back to Voyager.

The Mokra were the rulers on that planet where Caylem, the old man who thought you were his daughter, saved your life.
The Array I am using is fairly unstable, reconfiguring for this type of technology was not easy.

My point is, Torres was able to passify her captors and avert any disaster.

Directive 101 (Voy: Meld.) assures every citizen of the federation the right to remain silent. It is criminal to coerce any information out of any bloke just because you have decided they are disavowed from basic civil rights any federation Citizen is due. Do you awkwardly believe freedom should be doled out on a sliding scale metered by some arbitrary Santa Clausian determination about who is naughty and who is nice?

My best theory about why he hasn't shived you in the shower after 2 years in space, if he isn't dead, is that he likes being tied to a chair and tortured by a beautiful woman like any other decent healthy self loathing gentleman.

So what if you have a brill reason, it's a shame you can't also admit that you had to be a bastard criminal to win the day out, because staining your moral purity till it's black as tar is a fair price to pay for saving the day.
Perhaps things did get heavy handed in Lessing's case but one of my crew were in danger and I was using any leverage we had in order to find the Equinox.

Lessing realises, as do the other Equinox officers, that their actions were unacceptable and they now have to live with the choices they made.


You're claiming nepotism and classicism, one rule for the inner circle and another for the lower decks, is why you left Tuvok alone? Leaders are pulled from their throwns and strung up from lamposts for pulling that sort crap laying unfair unequal laws on a prolitariate.

You're just not trying to bait me?
I am not claiming anything of the sort, as I have said before, I need to interact and guide the crew in a capacity that the simple title of Starfleet Captain cannot give. My personal relationship with Tuvok gives me insight into his personality, I knew that my disappointment in his disregard for my orders would be more a punishment to him than a period in The Brig.

I handle each crewmember based on their personalities, but I would not say that a class system or favouritism exists on Voyager.

Your crew is tiny, and your oath is to die, and kill your crew before breaking the Prime Directive. You're forcing your will on civilizations numbeing into the billions just to safeguard a hundred and 50 people. A sane person would admit that those numbers are the slightest lopsided.

Pishaw.
My crew is far from small and my oath is not to die, I also disagree with your claims that my will has been forced upon civilizations. Voyager has helped countless races and individuals in a manner of different circumstances, a great deal of the negative consequences of these actions are due to the short sightedness or greed of the people themselves.

I must say, Captain, I'm very much enjoying your posts here. They show the thoughtfulness, articulation and strength of will appropriate to a Starfleet captain. You're really selling this! :techman:
 
Perhaps things did get heavy handed in Lessing's case but one of my crew were in danger and I was using any leverage we had in order to find the Equinox.

As long as there are good reasons for you to act like an unconscionable barbarian. Civilized people have to struggle not to give into thuggish instincts when it all seems grim, but you're either a person who feeds a coat hanger down someone's throat if you thinks the ends justify the means or you are not.

Lessing realises, as do the other Equinox officers, that their actions were unacceptable and they now have to live with the choices they made.

No, there's no proof that he does or doesn't and there's no proof that you didn't flush him and the other four out the airlock before you got home under orders from the federation Council to avoid a political cluster fuck.

You're claiming nepotism and classicism, one rule for the inner circle and another for the lower decks, is why you left Tuvok alone? Leaders are pulled from their throwns and strung up from lamposts for pulling that sort crap laying unfair unequal laws on a prolitariate.

You're just not trying to bait me?
I am not claiming anything of the sort, as I have said before, I need to interact and guide the crew in a capacity that the simple title of Starfleet Captain cannot give. My personal relationship with Tuvok gives me insight into his personality, I knew that my disappointment in his disregard for my orders would be more a punishment to him than a period in The Brig.

So those that love you so much that it pains them to know that you love them a little less don't have to spend time in confinement? Poor Lon Suder, sentenced to 70 years confined to a little room because he couldn't fight his instincts and psychosis to floor some nobody that couldn't keep him respectful all because it didn't matter how much less you didn't love him because it thought you were meat that learnt to talk, afterward however no matter what spiritual reform or service to the ship he made, it was only the whole sale murder of a few dozen while reclaiming the ship from alien hands after your sloping handed mismanagementismistic Captaining. 70 years Gaol time commuted in favour for beign loved a little less after he's proven herself as the head man of your lack honorgauaard of assasins, that he can get by with you ultimately not lovely him as completely as you could.

Your crew is tiny, and your oath is to die, and kill your crew before breaking the Prime Directive. You're forcing your will on civilizations numbeing into the billions just to safeguard a hundred and 50 people. A sane person would admit that those numbers are the slightest lopsided.

Pishaw.
My crew is far from small and my oath is not to die, I also disagree with your claims that my will has been forced upon civilizations. Voyager has helped countless races and individuals in a manner of different circumstances, a great deal of the negative consequences of these actions are due to the short sightedness or greed of the people themselves.

CLAUDIUS: I do hope so, for your sake. Now, Captain, what are you going to order your men to do?
KIRK: If I brought down a hundred of them armed with phasers
CLAUDIUS: you could probably defeat the combined armies of our entire empire, and violate your oath regarding noninterference with other societies. I believe you all swear you'll die before you'd violate that directive. Am I right?
SPOCK: Quite correct.
MCCOY: Must you always be so blasted honest?
You will sacrifice yourself for a higher cause, including saving those who will kill you and be your enemies if they are idiots who don't know no better.

Not understanding this basic tenant is why when you got marooned on a backwater with a bunch of cave people that they got your pet Vulcan to start sharpening spears to kill all the xenocromagnoms taking turns trying to invent for a war to end all wars.
 
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As long as there are good reasons for you to act like an unconscionable barbarian. Civilized people have to struggle not to give into thuggish instincts when it all seems grim, but you're either a person who feeds a coat hanger down someone's throat if you thinks the ends justify the means or you are not.
I have never fed the proverbial coat hanger down anyones throat, if an individual wishes to act aggressively against my ship or a member of it's crew, then they should expect no less than retaliation. During Voyager's Conflict with The Equinox, Lessing was not harmed, I may have pushed the boundaries in trying to obtain the Equinox's position but any other captain would have done the same. I have never killed anyone who has not posed a direct or indirect threat to my ship and crew.

No, there's no proof that he does or doesn't and there's no proof that you didn't flush him and the other four out the airlock before you got home under orders from the federation Council to avoid a political cluster fuck.
I believe this extract from Voyagers logs proves otherwise,

"The last time we welcomed you aboard you took advantage of our trust. You betrayed this crew. I won't make that mistake again. Noah Lessing, Marla Gilmore, James Morrow, Brian Sofin, Angelo Tassoni, you are hereby stripped of rank. You'll be expected to serve as crewmen on this vessel. Your privileges will be limited and you'll serve under close supervision for as long as I deem fit. This time, you'll have to earn our trust. Dismissed."

So those that love you so much that it pains them to know that you love them a little less don't have to spend time in confinement? Poor Lon Suder, sentenced to 70 years confined to a little room because he couldn't fight his instincts and psychosis to floor some nobody that couldn't keep him respectful all because it didn't matter how much less you didn't love him because it thought you were meat that learnt to talk, afterward however no matter what spiritual reform or service to the ship he made, it was only the whole sale murder of a few dozen while reclaiming the ship from alien hands after your sloping handed mismanagementismistic Captaining. 70 years Gaol time commuted in favour for beign loved a little less after he's proven herself as the head man of your lack honorgauaard of assasins, that he can get by with you ultimately not lovely him as completely as you could.
I care for all my crewmembers, perhaps I do care for Tuvok in a different way, but let me ask you this, do you care for your closest friends and fellow workers whom you have known, for the sake of this arguement, for two years? I don't think you do, and I believe that it is human nature, whether one is conscious of it or not, to treat individuals differently based on your relationship to each. The bottom line being that if situations came down to a matter of life and death, each one would be treated the same in that I would fight tooth and nail to prevent harm coming to them, as would any Starfleet Officer.

Not understanding this basic tenant is why when you got marooned on a backwater with a bunch of cave people that they got your pet Vulcan to start sharpening spears to kill all the xenocromagnoms taking turns trying to invent for a war to end all wars.
In this situation I believe you will find that it is Starfleet Protocol to defend yourself by any means necessary in a hostile situation. I had Tuvok construct weapons for defense, in the event that we encountered dangerous lifeforms, the odds of which were high.


There are many variables in Voyager's position and to lead a ship through unknown, often hostile space with no reinforcement of any kind is a tough break. I have only ever acted to the best of my ability, perhaps this ability isn't up to the standards that a superior being as yourself is used to but I am willing to put my neck on the line and suggest that you would find it difficult, as I did, had you been in my position.

The fact of the matter remains that anyone in this position would have observers question every decision they make due to the fact that the observers haven't got all the knowledge or the personal experience to understand the situation in totality. It's easy to sit and say "why didn't you do this?" "Why did you do that?" when you haven't been through the same situation yourself.

I must say, Captain, I'm very much enjoying your posts here. They show the thoughtfulness, articulation and strength of will appropriate to a Starfleet captain. You're really selling this! :techman:

I thank you for your comment, I try my best.
 
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As long as there are good reasons for you to act like an unconscionable barbarian. Civilized people have to struggle not to give into thuggish instincts when it all seems grim, but you're either a person who feeds a coat hanger down someone's throat if you thinks the ends justify the means or you are not.
I have never fed the proverbial coat hanger down anyone's throat, if an individual wishes to act aggressively against my ship or a member of it's crew, then they should expect no less than retaliation.

Not talking about a proverbial Coat hanger. A literal one. So you'll zealously defend yourself against any man tied to a chair you feel threatened by? Do the bound offer a special fear for you only exceeded by the comatose and already dead? But the Eqinox wasn't aggressive to Voyager, everything they did, even firing you, was all part of a strategy predicated on fleeing. meanwhile the beasties were also killing your crew. two proponents both obsessed with killing each other, any one who gets in their way, and running away from you, and you decide to run the buggers down. You were in freespace 40 years travel from the letter of federation law. the only thing endangering your crew is your pride that refused to allow you to drop the matter.

During Voyager's Conflict with The Equinox, Lessing was not harmed, I may have pushed the boundaries in trying to obtain the Equinox's position but any other captain would have done the same. I have never killed anyone who has not posed a direct or indirect threat to my ship and crew.

You still really haven't explained how Tuvix was a threat to your crew when you murdered him?

No, there's no proof that he does or doesn't and there's no proof that you didn't flush him and the other four out the airlock before you got home under orders from the federation Council to avoid a political cluster fuck.
I believe this extract from Voyagers logs proves otherwise,

"The last time we welcomed you aboard you took advantage of our trust. You betrayed this crew. I won't make that mistake again. Noah Lessing, Marla Gilmore, James Morrow, Brian Sofin, Angelo Tassoni, you are hereby stripped of rank. You'll be expected to serve as crewmen on this vessel. Your privileges will be limited and you'll serve under close supervision for as long as I deem fit. This time, you'll have to earn our trust. Dismissed."

And the next two years before you triumphantly arrived home and delivered the marquis and Equinox 5 to their respective docks and penal colonies, as they wondered wny they served you so loyally if all Voyager ever was was just a prison transport?

Was there a reason we didn't see him for the next two years?

I care for all my crewmembers, perhaps I do care for Tuvok in a different way, but let me ask you this, do you care for your closest friends and fellow workers whom you have known, for the sake of this argument, for two years?

That's the burden of being Captain. Being fair and just. you have to suff your own feelings and needs down some where cold and dark, so that the ship can run clean and free.

I don't think you do, and I believe that it is human nature, whether one is conscious of it or not, to treat individuals differently based on your relationship to each. The bottom line being that if situations came down to a matter of life and death, each one would be treated the same in that I would fight tooth and nail to prevent harm coming to them, as would any Starfleet Officer.

And the rest of your crew? Or just the orfficers?

Not understanding this basic tenant is why when you got marooned on a backwater with a bunch of cave people that they got your pet Vulcan to start sharpening spears to kill all the xenocromagnoms taking turns trying to invent for a war to end all wars.
In this situation I believe you will find that it is Starfleet Protocol to defend yourself by any means necessary in a hostile situation. I had Tuvok construct weapons for defence, in the event that we encountered dangerous lifeforms, the odds of which were high.

You're quoting Ransom.

You pissed off the natives.

Rather than walking for a couple days in one direction to the village over, and see if they're more amenable, or make peace with the ones you've aleady started off to a rocky start with, something Chakotay achieves almost effortlessly, you prepare for war. A war you cannot conceivably lose by the way.

Just like Ransom.

There are many variables in Voyager's position and to lead a ship through unknown, often hostile space with no reinforcement of any kind is a tough break. I have only ever acted to the best of my ability, perhaps this ability isn't up to the standards that a superior being as yourself is used to but I am willing to put my neck on the line and suggest that you would find it difficult, as I did, had you been in my position.

Kirk was in almost the same position. Well, one episode they said that it would take months to get a message home, when they were trying to figure out what to do, which is marginally different from every one already thinking that you're dead.

I'm not enlightened. You're just a monster half the time. I mean, you'de be a splendid pirate, a fantastic Romulan or Klingon, but frankly there are some righteous reasons why you should have failed your psyche evaluation at the academy or been dismissed from your captaincy of Voyager early on because of continued trend of disreputable behaviour unbecoming a decent human being god forbid a captain of a Federation Starship.

The fact of the matter remains that anyone in this position would have observers question every decision they make due to the fact that the observers haven't got all the knowledge or the personal experience to understand the situation in totality.

Um. Geordi and Data just said "wow, the Delta Quadrant. How cool. Lets g home." And they did. Twice I think. And you ma'am didn't even have the gumption to read up on their adventures in the Delta Quadrant which predate yours by half a decade as you're gazetting that you're the first ever Humans in the Delta Quadrant.

It's easy to sit and say "why didn't you do this?" "Why did you do that?" when you haven't been through the same situation yourself.

It's intolerably easy after I manage to lift my jaw from the ground from the shock in trying to understand some of your more dubious decisions.

I must say, Captain, I'm very much enjoying your posts here. They show the thoughtfulness, articulation and strength of will appropriate to a Starfleet captain. You're really selling this! :techman:
I thank you for your comment, I try my best.

Actually, you're holding character very well. Great job.
 
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