Oh, No, another Slap on the Wrist from Janeway.

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Not talking about a proverbial Coat hanger. A literal one. So you'll zealously defend yourself against any man tied to a chair you feel threatened by? Do the bound offer a special fear for you only exceeded by the comatose and already dead? But the Eqinox wasn't aggressive to Voyager, everything they did, even firing you, was all part of a strategy predicated on fleeing. meanwhile the beasties were also killing your crew. two proponents both obsessed with killing each other, any one who gets in their way, and running away from you, and you decide to run the buggers down. You were in freespace 40 years travel from the letter of federation law. the only thing endangering your crew is your pride that refused to allow you to drop the matter.

And? She decided to not tolerate a supposed "Federation ship" acting like goons. Her prerogative. The crew can shut up and color.

You still really haven't explained how Tuvix was a threat to your crew when you murdered him?

And if she let him live, there'd be wailing and whining about how she "murdered" Tuvok and Neelix.

And the next two years before you triumphantly arrived home and delivered the marquis and Equinox 5 to their respective docks and penal colonies, as they wondered wny they served you so loyally if all Voyager ever was was just a prison transport?

Was there a reason we didn't see him for the next two years?

Weak writing.

That's the burden of being Captain. Being fair and just. you have to suff your own feelings and needs down some where cold and dark, so that the ship can run clean and free.

Decisions are rarely "feeling-free." Especially not in light of extreme stress and isolation. Officers are niether perfect, nor are they impervious to adverse circumstances.

And the rest of your crew? Or just the orfficers?

RHIP.

Kirk was in almost the same position. Well, one episode they said that it would take months to get a message home, when they were trying to figure out what to do, which is marginally different from every one already thinking that you're dead.

I'm not enlightened. You're just a monster half the time. I mean, you'de be a splendid pirate, a fantastic Romulan or Klingon.....

Darn straight. I'd rather be stranded in a hostile region of space with a captain who kicks butt and takes names than one who discusses every one of his orders with his officers over tea.

Um. Geordi and Data just said "wow, the Delta Quadrant. How cool. Lets g home." And they did. Twice I think. And you ma'am didn't even have the gumption to read up on their adventures in the Delta Quadrant which predate yours by half a decade as you're gazetting that you're the first ever Humans in the Delta Quadrant.

She was the first one stuck there for seven years.

 

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Square, enough thread grandstanding. Take it to pm or use the "Ignore" function if you need to.

Back to topic...

I wasn't "grandstanding." I was accused of doing something I didn't do; therefore, I corrected the misconception. I didn't start this nonsense, so I didn't feel the need to resort to PMing, but as I'm still waiting for someone to quote me where I "insulted" anyone, so feel free to PM me with any relevant details. Otherwise, I'm getting back to the topic at hand and any and all hypersensitive posters are free to give me a wide berth.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The 37's had been stuck there for over 300 hundred years, those Klingons too I think, generationally, Seven of Nine had been lost in the DQ 3 times as long as the rest of Voyagers Crew, the freed Borg in the one where Chakotay had an Orgy had been there since at least as long ago as TNG season 3, and ransom had been there a few months longer than Janeway and that's what became of him because of those couple extra months since he didn't have the luxury of spending 4 months checking out in his quarters rocking like Janeway did in Night.

Plenty of people had been stuck there for seven years without turning into Captain Hook, and it was only year five and the first inch of year six from kathy's perspective.

 

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The 37's had been stuck there for over 300 hundred years...

As popsicles.

...those Klingons too, generationally...

We have no idea how they acted. For all we know, they were buggering the targs. It was never mentioned in the show how each generation of said Klingons behaved.

Seven of Nine had been lost in the DQ 3 times as long as the rest of the Crew...

As a Borg; she participated in plenty of bad things.

the feed Borg in the one where Chakotay had an Orgy had been there since as long ago as TNG season 3..

Without a ship, they had limited opportunity for mischief...and they weren't trying to get home. Staying in one place on a warm, wet planet isn't exactly a similiar situation. We do know they jumped at the chance to impose their will on Chakotard.

and ransom had been there a few months longer than Janeway and that's what became of him.

He most certainly did turn into Captain Hook.

Pleanty of people had been stuck there for seven years without turnign into Captain Hook, and it was only year five.

We have no idea how The Klingons behaved, we know Seven got up to bad behavior, and the rest lacked opportunity.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's good luck to bugger a targ. If Voyagers crew had been buggering the targs maybe they wouldn't have Gilliganed every darn sure thing for the first 170ish canonical attempts to get home, and I do mean canonical.

Can't be a bastard out there in the DQ? Sorry, I misunderstood the game.

Telling isn't it that, if I am to be believed, that no one can be decent in that corner of the galaxy.

 

[Fish1941]

It seems to me that every time somebody acted out of control, obeyed a direct order, or overall just acted like a Jerk, Janeway would pretty much much tell them she's really disappointed and not take any further action. Can somebody help me with examples of this?

Or am I just remembering things the wrong way? I mean, I know she busted Paris down to Ensign (for like a week....) but that's besides the point.

Why does this bother you so much? It's her job to chew someone out for screwing up. She's the captain of a starship. Or is only a male starship captain allowed to do this?

 

[Thestral]

It seems to me that every time somebody acted out of control, obeyed a direct order, or overall just acted like a Jerk, Janeway would pretty much much tell them she's really disappointed and not take any further action. Can somebody help me with examples of this?

Or am I just remembering things the wrong way? I mean, I know she busted Paris down to Ensign (for like a week....) but that's besides the point.

Why does this bother you so much? It's her job to chew someone out for screwing up. She's the captain of a starship. Or is only a male starship captain allowed to do this?

That's a needlessly defensive and mistaken interpretation of Friend Newski's words, if you ask me. If anything, Newski is suggesting that Janeway isn't being harsh enough in her punishments for misbehavior among her crew, and that a mere tongue-lashing isn't enough. That doesn't sound like someone who thinks that "only a male starship captain" should be enforcing discipline.

 

[Fish1941]

Janeway has placed Paris in the brig, ordered Neelix to some kind of duty for two weeks in Season 3 and restricted Seven from many parts of the ship, while off duty. And the rest had their actions reported in their Starfleet records.

 

[Thestral]

Janeway has placed Paris in the brig, ordered Neelix to some kind of duty for two weeks in Season 3 and restricted Seven from many parts of the ship, while off duty. And the rest had their actions reported in their Starfleet records.

Soo... why not bring up these points, or say that you think Newski is mistaken, and that Janeway does hand out sufficient disciplinary measures? Instead of...

Why does this bother you so much? It's her job to chew someone out for screwing up. She's the captain of a starship. Or is only a male starship captain allowed to do this?

which sounds like you think Newski is saying Janeway was too hard on her crew - which he clearly wasn't, since the original complaint was over Janeway being too forgiving. Then tossing in an accusation of misogyny while you're at it.

 

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It's good luck to bugger a targ. If Voyagers crew had been buggering the targs maybe they wouldn't have Gilliganed every darn sure thing for the first 170ish canonical attempts to get home, and I do mean canonical.

Can't be a bastard out there in the DQ? Sorry, I misunderstood the game.

Telling isn't it that, if I am to be believed, that no one can be decent in that corner of the galaxy.

Janeway was decent at certain times, less so at others. In the situation in which VOY found itself, it's highly unlikely she would have been able to act in such a manner to please everyone at all times. If she followed Federation law to the letter, people would be criticizing her for not caring enough about her crew. If she always put her crew first, she'd be bashed for not being a paragon of Starfleet virtue. She was bound to end-up as a controversial captain with dirt on her proverbial hands.

 

[Tachyon]

Yep do it like this or do it like that - which ever option she chose, it was always wrong for someone.

 

[Timewalker]

It seems to me that every time somebody acted out of control, obeyed a direct order, or overall just acted like a Jerk, Janeway would pretty much much tell them she's really disappointed and not take any further action. Can somebody help me with examples of this?

Or am I just remembering things the wrong way? I mean, I know she busted Paris down to Ensign (for like a week....) but that's besides the point.

Why does this bother you so much? It's her job to chew someone out for screwing up. She's the captain of a starship. Or is only a male starship captain allowed to do this?

Did Harry get more than a stern lecture for having sex without permission? Or were there other consequences?

 

[Guy Gardener]

I read recently (The Boys by Garth Ennis.) that Space herpes makes your wang fall off and then you shit out your brain.

Eddie Murphy described marriage as playing dice with your dick, and int he end Kim didn't lose as much as he should have. When Tucker got Lucky he seemed to think that he was as good as fired and he'd be drummed out of the service as the vulcan mocked and mocked for being a horny monkey.

Besides by that point kathy must have figured out that Kim doesn'r learn from his mistakes like regular people.

And, apart from these huge events, general crew discipline is Chakotays job, not that Janeway doesn't have to sign off on or veto his final discision on any matter in theory.