Oh, Canada (in canon)!

[Timofnine]

This thread is amazing, thanks for the memes! I have Canadian family and I am going to tease them now with some of the Star Trek ammo I have gathered here.

Any more Star Trek/Canada Memes?

Btw, wasn’t Kirk from Canada? I assume that Iowa is now a part of Canada in the 23rd century…

 

[Finn]

No

 

[SalyutBuran]

Oh boy.

I was trying to be funny, but Ireland is a great example of what our bilingualism is and isn't, and what our languages could be.

Not sure what language stats but very very very few irish speak irish, like literally 80,000 people in the whole country. There's more speakers of Cree.

It's entirely possible Canadians start treating french as their national/heritage language. In which case people would try harder to learn it which would bring stability to the country, I'm one of those people trying, I watch star trek in french for that reason.

But the point is these countries are not at all like Canada.

Canada isn't a bilingual country where everyone tries to speak both. It's a country where everyone is happy as long as their part of the country speaks their native language.

And again that isn't mentioning the massive cultural changes happening in southern ontario/bc etc. Canada is incredibly committed to not being a nation state.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I was trying to be funny, but Ireland is a great example of what our bilingualism is and isn't, and what our languages could be.

Not sure what language stats but very very very few irish speak irish, like literally 80,000 people in the whole country. There's more speakers of Cree.

A recent census showed that about 40% of the Irish population can speak Gaeilge. The proportion that choose to speak it as the primary day-to-day language is much lower - that is true - but I believe a specified level of fluency in the language and in English is required to obtain a job in the Irish government. Gaeilge is also an official working language in the EU, although English, French and German remain the three procedural languages - even with the UK having left the EU.

 

[SalyutBuran]

A recent census showed that about 40% of the Irish population can speak Gaeilge.
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By speak they literally count "hello, how are you" "I'm good, where are you from" as speaking the language.

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This short film is considered an irish classic. FYI lots of french speakers ironically literally do this in real life. They show up in Toronto thinking they'll be speaking to people in French, to find out that almost no one in a city of 6 million speaks the language in day to day life.

The proportion that choose to speak it as the primary day-to-day language is much lower - that is true - but I believe a specified level of fluency in the language and in English is required to obtain a job in the Irish government. Gaeilge is also an official working language in the EU, although English, French and German remain the three procedural languages - even with the UK having left the EU.

The proportion that use it in day to day life is 2% in a country of 4 million. And it's completly on the western fringes of the country. Very very very small number of people in Dublin/the east can speak it, beyond what you could learn on Duolingo.

For the record, I thought very very long and hard about learning the language.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I assume most everyone also knows what "póg mo thóin" means.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You can't learn a language until you turn off the Universal Translator.

How does a child learn their first language, if the telepathic tendrils of the universal translator is wrapped around their brain?

 

[Ovation]

Yes and one of the big questions of this thread is whether or not Canada exists in the future.

Canada is that singular country that is in the most puzzling of situations.

It's not a novelty that so many shows are shot in Canada and none are set in Canada. It's been 30 years since Coldly-Wood became a thing.

Just ask anyone who's tried to make a Canadian movie, the immediate question is why? Who is gonna watch this because it's Canadian.

As a Canadian (who has taught Canadian history for decades), I’d like to let you know, politely, that my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle.

Et aussi, comme québécois, je peux t’assurer que ta compréhension de la complexité culturelle du Québec, ainsi que celui du Canada au complet, démontre un manque flagrant de nuance. À part ça, ton « analyse » est croche en tabarnak.

Now get yourself a poutine, wash it down with a double-double, and tell someone you’re sorry about something, like a real Canuck.

 

[Sci]

Why would there be any doubt? It's not like nations ceased to exist when United Earth was formed. They just became part of a greater whole.

I mean, the USA still exists, so why wouldn't Canada? It makes no sense.

Spoiler: Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow

An alternate possibility is that the "Land Back" movement had some success after World War III and the settler-colonial states we know today as "the United States of America" and "Canada" were dissolved as legal entities and replaced with new political structures within the context of membership in United Earth.

This would not really contradict canon, since most of the references to the U.S. and Canada in the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th Centuries have been geographic or cultural rather than legal or political.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Now get yourself a poutine, wash it down with a double-double, and tell someone you’re sorry about something, like a real Canuck.

Shouldn't that be "aboot"?

 

[Rincewiend]

I was quite specific in mentioning westernized/industrialized countries, and countries that are quite large.





Haiti -Haiti isn't bilingual their creole is a creole of french. It's not a country split between languages, it's a country where people pick and choose what language they want to speak at a given time, as their culture is creole and their world is french.
Paraguay-Similar but totally different it's properly bilingual and is a country focused on a dual spanish-amerindian heritage.




Afghanistan
India
Israel
Kyrgyzstan
Pakistan
Sri Lanka
Timor Lestel
None of these are politically stable in the long term, not a list of countries canada want's to be part of.




Philippines- Hard to predict, held together by a strong sense of nationalism, largely based on a christian heritage, frequently getting tangled in with muslims/indonesians. FYI, each island has more or less it's own language/dialect. In that sense yes the two countries are very similar. People have suggested before Canada is like an archipelago of island nations, it's closer to the truth. If you look at a population map with no geographic features you'd never guess it's a singular landless.


Singapore- It's a city demographically comparable to Toronto ironically. It isn't remotely like Canada but it might give us a hint in what Toronto could be like in 30 years. A quadlingual defacto pseudo state(where french isn't spoken).



Belgium-comes up all the time, turns out the country is a postage stamp in size, there's no reason to be together but no reason to part either.
Belarus- Not politically stable, totally totally uncertain if it's a country that'll exist in a few months forget years.
Finland- Only on paper the Swedish speakers are a small minority.
Ireland- No one speaks Gaeilge
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Kosovo
When they phrase balkanization is used about a country, best not to use Baulkan countries as proof the country isn't gonna balkanize.
Luxembourg- Not really a country quite literally, it's closer to a multi lingual suburb. Point is you don't split a tiny city in half.
Malte-I'll be honest this is literally the only one on the list I don't know much about.
Norway- You mind want to use google on that one. It's absolutely not bilingual.
Swiss- That's a tangly mess.


Not touching African nations.

To the point which if any of these countries above will exist in 300 years? Finland being

You forgot The Netherlands...

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[Ovation]

Shouldn't that be "aboot"?

Not in my neck of the woods.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Not in my neck of the woods.

Alrighty then.

 

[1001001]

Yes and one of the big questions of this thread is whether or not Canada exists in the future.

Canada is that singular country that is in the most puzzling of situations.

It's not a novelty that so many shows are shot in Canada and none are set in Canada. It's been 30 years since Coldly-Wood became a thing.

Just ask anyone who's tried to make a Canadian movie, the immediate question is why? Who is gonna watch this because it's Canadian.

 

[cooleddie74]

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[PoorSailorsAirline]

Isn't the east/west, English/français debate getting stale? The two bigger divides that I see--at least from my perspective--is more along lines of younger/older and urban/rural.

I live in Vancouver, I'm pretty sure anyone in my social circle here could tell you (in general) what's going on in Toronto, Montreal, Calgary...but places here in BC? Nanoose Bay? Fort St. John? Port McNeill? Is that the dark side of the moon or even this planet? Lol

Age-wise, there seems to be a simmering seething amongst millennials towards baby boomers for their perceived 'wrecking' of the housing market. It feels like there's a slow-burning economic shift that's going to light right up in the next decade or so, and it will affect Canadians no matter where in the country you're in.

To bring this back to canon, I can't think of any direct references that haven't already been said, except for one undeniable element of canon: old/young, anglo/franco, west/east, urban/rural, progressive/conservative, religious/spiritual/no thanks, rich/poor...we're all in the same in so far as having one lil' 1960s-era TV series to draw us all together. There's more that unites us than divides us, we have a common purpose, truth, humanity, etc. etc...I think I just wrote a better draft of that Federation Charter speech from ENT These Are The Voyages...

 

[Cyber Sybok]

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Awww, I used to love watching this on PBS back in the day. Thank you, Canada!

 

[Guy Gardener]

A modern city without power, can't probably sustain more than %5 of the population it could before an apocolypse.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

It's not a novelty that so many shows are shot in Canada and none are set in Canada.

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Also reminds me of Night Heat, one of my favorite TV cop shows. It was the first Canadian TV series broadcast in America, in fact. To appeal to American viewers, they never actually said which city the show takes place in (even though it's glaringly obvious it's Toronto), American police ranks like "lieutenant" and "captain" are used, cops work out of "precincts" (as in the US) and not "divisions", and nobody is ever seen handling money or a flag.

And there's a nice little urban legend attached to the show as well (which is not actually an urban legend, because it did happen): Since Canadian cities tend to be cleaner than US cities, while they were doing one scene they had to dress the set wiith extra garbage and graffiti. The set dressers got things looking just so, then took a meal break. When they got back, they found that helpful Canadian passersby - not realizing it was a set - had cleaned things up on their own!

Although there ARE series shot AND SET in Canada. Both versions of 19-2 (English and French) were filmed and set in Montréal. Also there was a recent time-travel sci-fi series - whose name I forgot - which was shot and set in Vancouver.

(fun fact; Adrian Holmes, from the English 19-2, is Admiral Robert April from SNW)

 

[Avro Arrow]

Also there was a recent time-travel sci-fi series - whose name I forgot - which was shot and set in Vancouver.

Continuum.

I believe Orphan Black was also set in Canada. (One of the creators apparently claimed the location was never specified, but I believe I recall some specific scenes that explicitly set it in Canada.)