OGAM DVD

[Phantassm]

Regardless of whether or not an iso is provided, (and you can still find those files on the net.) If someone has the desire they will do it. However the producers of these films have spoken out against these things so if it were to happen I doubt it would be a huge money making venture.

 

[webb3201]

I would love a DVD...I have never been able to watch the streaming versions as they crap out about halfway through each episode.

 

[OmahaStar]

the huge demand for a ST:OGAM DVD.

What huge demand?

 

[doubleohfive]

the huge demand for a ST:OGAM DVD.

What huge demand?

So Omaha, what did you think of it?

Seriously, I would like to hear your review.

 

[doubleohfive]

I went to the screening they had here in Hollywood last Friday. Nice turnout. Nichelle Nichols, Walter Koenig, Crystal Allen, Chase Masterson, William Wellman, Garrett Wang, Gary Graham were all there, as were the writers, various other members of the production team, and yes, even Sky Conway was there.

The film still suffers from the same problems I felt it did when I first saw it, plus a few more that I noticed this time around, but it was nice to see it on the big screen. Anyway, they were passing out free DVD copies of the film afterward and so I managed to grab one for myself. Problem solved!

 

[boobatuba]

Anyway, they were passing out free DVD copies of the film afterward and so I managed to grab one for myself. Problem solved!

Absolutely! Look for bootleg copies on an auction site near you soon!

 

[doubleohfive]

Anyway, they were passing out free DVD copies of the film afterward and so I managed to grab one for myself. Problem solved!

Absolutely! Look for bootleg copies on an auction site near you soon!

I would never do anything like that, so I hope you weren't trying to imply I would.

 

[boobatuba]

I would never do anything like that, so I hope you weren't trying to imply I would.

No, I wasn't implying anything like that at all, but I doubt you can say the same for the myriad of strangers who got their free DVD as well.

I'm honestly just a little miffed about the big deal the producers of this film made about not offering downloads, the poor streaming issues, and now finding out that free DVDs are being made available to the public. Where's the link to a high-quality ISO? I honestly don't see the difference. Distribution of this film has been very troubling, to say the least.

Sorry if you took my comment personally...it wasn't meant that way.

 

[doubleohfive]

No worries... I just didn't want there to be any misperception about me on that front. As an aspiring filmmaker, I tend to respect others work in this arena as I would expect others to treat my work.

And yeah, its a mucky situation. I will say though that they spared no expense on the actual DVD --- the cover art is passable, however it was printed professionally, the label/sticker/cover of the disc was done similarly, and the fold out insert that came with the DVD is clear and easy to read with many pictures.

If only the film were better.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I will say though that they spared no expense on the actual DVD --- the cover art is passable, however it was printed professionally, the label/sticker/cover of the disc was done similarly, and the fold out insert that came with the DVD is clear and easy to read with many pictures.

Does it have a decent DVD menu, with chapter selection and all that?

 

[Pingfah]

Paramount would be bonkers to officially license this as a Star Trek product, regardless of the demand from hardcore fans. It's just not up to the required standard.

 

[doubleohfive]

Does it have a decent DVD menu, with chapter selection and all that?

I do not know. I haven't watched it yet.

Paramount would be bonkers to officially license this as a Star Trek product, regardless of the demand from hardcore fans. It's just not up to the required standard.

Agreed. I understand they had an extremely limited budget, and that we're lucky for what good parts we did get, but the honest truth is it just doesn't come together very well, and is certainly not up to par with "Tressaurian Intersection" or "World Enough and Time."

 

[CaptJimboJones]

Distribution of this film has been very troubling, to say the least.

Well, that's what happens when you make a film using intellectual property that belongs to someone else and you have absolutely no legal right to access.

Paramount/CBS was extremely generous to even allow OGAM to be streamed online. The company could have easily shut down the whole project, seized the film and shitcanned the entire thing.

I can see why the producers are nervous about offering DVD downloads. If it starts showing up en masse for sale on Ebay by bootleggers, Paramount is going to be a lot more likely to step in and lower the boom on the fanfilm community.

I just don't understand why Sky Conway didn't just make his own original Sci-Fi movie starring Nichelle Nicols and the rest of the cast. He could have distributed it and sold it in any way and at any price he wanted.

 

[Freman]

So what's going on with this? Any news?

 

[doubleohfive]

If you signed up for the email listserv when OGAM was being released, you should be getting emails from the OGAM store, offering a "DVD gift" if you purchase something from the store.

The DVD they are advertising as a "gift" is the same as the one that was handed out at the screening last month.

Just an FYI.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Distribution of this film has been very troubling, to say the least.

Well, that's what happens when you make a film using intellectual property that belongs to someone else and you have absolutely no legal right to access.

Spoken like someone who actually knows a little something about intellectual property law. I get a little annoyed at all the Junior Denny Cranes spouting off like they know anything about copyright law when they have no legal background whatsoever so Kudos to you, sir.

Paramount/CBS was extremely generous to even allow OGAM to be streamed online. The company could have easily shut down the whole project, seized the film and shitcanned the entire thing.

Indeed they were and I agree with everything you said except for seizing the film. I find highy unlikely that they would be available to do that.

I can see why the producers are nervous about offering DVD downloads. If it starts showing up en masse for sale on Ebay by bootleggers, Paramount is going to be a lot more likely to step in and lower the boom on the fanfilm community.

Yeah, but define en masse. It really has to be a ton of copies (like tens of thousands) out there for any eyebrows to raise at Viacom/CBS/Paramount and I don't even think that they made enough copies to make a dent and really, most Trek fans in general aren't the type to bootleg and distribute en masse.

Another thing too:

I got the email too and I went to the "store" to see what they had to offer and they're offering is an 18 year old promo posters from AMT/Ertl that were given out for free at the convention and they are selling them for $60. So let me get this straight, I spend $60 on a crappy poster that was free, and you send me an unlicensed DVD as a "free gift?"

Do these people honestly think that this is an actual "loophole" that will stand up? I don't know who they're geting their legal advice from (or if they are getting legal advice from anyone) but they need to get legitimate counsel because this approach is incredibly ill advised.

It doesn't matter how you distribute it, if you don't have a license from the copyright holder to distribute their intellectual property, you can't do it.

-Shawn

 

[CaptainHawk1]

I still don't see how offering an ISO (plus the DVD cover art) for download, could possibly be a problem. It's free, so where's the legal issues?

The problem isn't profits it's the rights of the copyright owner to be in control of their intellectual property.

With your intellectual property you have the right to use it how you see fit and to license or not license its use however you see fit.

-Shawn

 

[Amaris]

Distribution of this film has been very troubling, to say the least.

Well, that's what happens when you make a film using intellectual property that belongs to someone else and you have absolutely no legal right to access.

Spoken like someone who actually knows a little something about intellectual property law. I get a little annoyed at all the Junior Denny Cranes spouting off like they know anything about copyright law when they have no legal background whatsoever so Kudos to you, sir.

Paramount/CBS was extremely generous to even allow OGAM to be streamed online. The company could have easily shut down the whole project, seized the film and shitcanned the entire thing.

Indeed they were and I agree with everything you said except for seizing the film. I find highy unlikely that they would be available to do that.

I can see why the producers are nervous about offering DVD downloads. If it starts showing up en masse for sale on Ebay by bootleggers, Paramount is going to be a lot more likely to step in and lower the boom on the fanfilm community.

Yeah, but define en masse. It really has to be a ton of copies (like tens of thousands) out there for any eyebrows to raise at Viacom/CBS/Paramount and I don't even think that they made enough copies to make a dent and really, most Trek fans in general aren't the type to bootleg and distribute en masse.

Another thing too:

I got the email too and I went to the "store" to see what they had to offer and they're offering is an 18 year old promo posters from AMT/Ertl that were given out for free at the convention and they are selling them for $60. So let me get this straight, I spend $60 on a crappy poster that was free, and you send me an unlicensed DVD as a "free gift?"

Do these people honestly think that this is an actual "loophole" that will stand up? I don't know who they're geting their legal advice from (or if they are getting legal advice from anyone) but they need to get legitimate counsel because this approach is incredibly ill advised.

It doesn't matter how you distribute it, if you don't have a license from the copyright holder to distribute their intellectual property, you can't do it.

-Shawn

$60? I was in the store just a few minutes ago (after reading 005's post) and they have great looking posters for $20, and you get the DVD for free. That's not bad at all.

J.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Well, that's what happens when you make a film using intellectual property that belongs to someone else and you have absolutely no legal right to access.

Spoken like someone who actually knows a little something about intellectual property law. I get a little annoyed at all the Junior Denny Cranes spouting off like they know anything about copyright law when they have no legal background whatsoever so Kudos to you, sir.

Indeed they were and I agree with everything you said except for seizing the film. I find highy unlikely that they would be available to do that.

I can see why the producers are nervous about offering DVD downloads. If it starts showing up en masse for sale on Ebay by bootleggers, Paramount is going to be a lot more likely to step in and lower the boom on the fanfilm community.

Yeah, but define en masse. It really has to be a ton of copies (like tens of thousands) out there for any eyebrows to raise at Viacom/CBS/Paramount and I don't even think that they made enough copies to make a dent and really, most Trek fans in general aren't the type to bootleg and distribute en masse.

Another thing too:

I got the email too and I went to the "store" to see what they had to offer and they're offering is an 18 year old promo posters from AMT/Ertl that were given out for free at the convention and they are selling them for $60. So let me get this straight, I spend $60 on a crappy poster that was free, and you send me an unlicensed DVD as a "free gift?"

Do these people honestly think that this is an actual "loophole" that will stand up? I don't know who they're geting their legal advice from (or if they are getting legal advice from anyone) but they need to get legitimate counsel because this approach is incredibly ill advised.

It doesn't matter how you distribute it, if you don't have a license from the copyright holder to distribute their intellectual property, you can't do it.

-Shawn

$60? I was in the store just a few minutes ago (after reading 005's post) and they have great looking posters for $20, and you get the DVD for free. That's not bad at all.

J.

They have since updated the offering since I went to it but it doesn't change the fact that no matter how they distribute it they're violating the property owner's rights if they don't have permission to do so.

Beyond that, I was under the impression (based on the email I got) that it was more of a behind-the-scenes DVD and not the actual fan-flick itself until one of the posters here said it was the exact same packaging. If that is the case it would appear that they are going out of their way to obscure the fact that they are distributing this without permission from Paramount.

I'd love for one of the people involved in this project to challenge any of my assertions but I've noticed that they've remained conspicuously silent thus far when it comes to the issue of what appears to be surreptitious distribution of the film.

So, OGAM production folks, please speak up and clear the air.

-Shawn

 

[SeerSGB]

I just got the OGAM newsletter and they mentioned a DVD release. How have they worked out the copyright/licensing issue somehow to allow this? I can't imagine CBS letting such a high profile project get away with charging anything unless they have an agreement in place.

Why am I thinking that RiffTrax did something like this with a New Voyages episode-- you bought the RT, and they offered the NV epi. "Free"-- and there was a bit of a stink raised.