Official Trailer Review & Comments Thread!! [Spoilers, of course]
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Okay... as a media student of 4 years, a die hard fan of ST, and also a fan of JJ, I have a few things ide like to add to this discussion after much previous input, and now some time to digest the new trailer.
This film isnt going to be like any of the previous trek films in the way we know it... if you think saucer separations or the borg are the highlight of your trek movie experience are what makes it a film for you, then you are going to be sorely disappointed with this movie.
If innovative new gadgets and science play a major part in your enthusiasm for star trek then I would suggest that this movie is best ignored, as you have most likely grown used to the idea of trek being about a 4th grade science project rather than the brining together of difference without the cheesy trek you have grown so used to.
I as much as any hoped that this movie would be a $1m+ investment into progressing what we know and love to be star trek, but the simple fact is that being a big screen movie with new director, new creative cast, pretty much new everything, , it wont contain much of what we previously know as trek owing to the failures of the previous instalments.
This movie, like all of JJ's other achievements wont be "true to life" in any sense... It will be surreal, imaginative, and although one may find themselves drawn into it for the duration of the film, I feel it wont be something that can actually be imagined as a possible future any more than Transformers, Cloverfield, Lost etc, and I would suggest that it will possibly be too surreal for most dedicated and hard core trek fans to digest into known trek.
It will however be an expansion to the existing trek universe, almost like a visualisation of a glossy new comic book version of trek, as were the newer star wars films.
It will indeed draw in a new generation of fans to the star trek saga, but will be as much unrelated to existing trek as the current batman films are to the old school 70's tv show batman.
Its up to you if you watch this accepting that its going to be something new, so far detached from previous trek that you accept the old trek as being confined to DVD boxsets and convetions, and embrace this new vision as being a rewrite from scratch, 40 years on, using "the best" of the old ideas for a modern age, for a new audience of the age you were when you were first drawn into trek.
I for one would love this to be an all-guns-blazing star trek 11 film of The Next Generation...but understand that the time for that generation to prosper has passed, and now a new generation is awaiting a fresh new version, who quite frankly dont care much for what has come before, but will know enough of it to place foundations in their understanding of trek to embrace this new beginning as THEIR beginning of Trek.
JR's vision of Trek was a future in which differences could be put aside for a greater good, for an unknown greater purpose of exploration.. but an exploration of what? Space? Self? Others? The universe? Our universe?... And here we are, 40+ years on.. bickering about our own interpretations of this new imaginative vision of his voice, attempting to force our own particular viewpoint of what we believe to be a correct version of his ideals onto others who apparently claim to also believe in his ideals.
Petty claims of "where the ship should be built", "How Kirk's personality is slightly off", "Gas-powered cars in the future", "nacelle pylons too far back", etc etc.......Aren't we just going to further prove Jean's point that the human race was unable to put "petty" differences aside, and continues to do so 40 years on?
If those who claim to hold Trek so dear cant put aside their differences in beliefs for a greater understanding and appreciation of what it is to be human, the differences that make us individuals which should be the very things that bind us together, and the understanding that individuality is WHAT it is to be human whilst attempting to set aside the inherent conflict that this will cause, then what hope has the species as a whole got at ever setting aside the ultimate representations of that, including war, discrimination and generalisation?
To fans of any Trek, this new movie is not a finale to all that has come before, it is a modern twist to a classic human trait which JR only began to highlight in his original series created for a different age which is evermore increasingly defined only in historical records. Even the cast from his first incarnation are approaching their final years in our society, if not already a part of history themselves.
His 2nd incarnation, the Next Generation was also created for a different age which we are privileged to have been a part of, and now gracefully able to whiteness also become a part of OUR history and experience of our years. Other commercial offshoots of that vision aka DS9, Voyager, Enterprise are an added bonus, some pick, some choose, some embrace.
Now once again with the torch passed to a new director with a new creative vision relevant to the current age, be his style to your own tastes or not, a man who has proven himself to have a popular identification with a modern audience, we are once again privileged to see a fresh injection of creative talent into something we can choose to embrace or argue away as being far-fetched and unbelievable.
Whatever your age, whatever Trek you like, whatever your opinion and may whatever god you believe in, have mercy on your soul.
Xander, 26, Bournemouth, UK.
Okay... as a media student of 4 years, a die hard fan of ST, and also a fan of JJ, I have a few things ide like to add to this discussion after much previous input, and now some time to digest the new trailer.
This film isnt going to be like any of the previous trek films in the way we know it... if you think saucer separations or the borg are the highlight of your trek movie experience are what makes it a film for you, then you are going to be sorely disappointed with this movie.
If innovative new gadgets and science play a major part in your enthusiasm for star trek then I would suggest that this movie is best ignored, as you have most likely grown used to the idea of trek being about a 4th grade science project rather than the brining together of difference without the cheesy trek you have grown so used to.
I as much as any hoped that this movie would be a $1m+ investment into progressing what we know and love to be star trek, but the simple fact is that being a big screen movie with new director, new creative cast, pretty much new everything, , it wont contain much of what we previously know as trek owing to the failures of the previous instalments.
This movie, like all of JJ's other achievements wont be "true to life" in any sense... It will be surreal, imaginative, and although one may find themselves drawn into it for the duration of the film, I feel it wont be something that can actually be imagined as a possible future any more than Transformers, Cloverfield, Lost etc, and I would suggest that it will possibly be too surreal for most dedicated and hard core trek fans to digest into known trek.
It will however be an expansion to the existing trek universe, almost like a visualisation of a glossy new comic book version of trek, as were the newer star wars films.
It will indeed draw in a new generation of fans to the star trek saga, but will be as much unrelated to existing trek as the current batman films are to the old school 70's tv show batman.
Its up to you if you watch this accepting that its going to be something new, so far detached from previous trek that you accept the old trek as being confined to DVD boxsets and convetions, and embrace this new vision as being a rewrite from scratch, 40 years on, using "the best" of the old ideas for a modern age, for a new audience of the age you were when you were first drawn into trek.
I for one would love this to be an all-guns-blazing star trek 11 film of The Next Generation...but understand that the time for that generation to prosper has passed, and now a new generation is awaiting a fresh new version, who quite frankly dont care much for what has come before, but will know enough of it to place foundations in their understanding of trek to embrace this new beginning as THEIR beginning of Trek.
JR's vision of Trek was a future in which differences could be put aside for a greater good, for an unknown greater purpose of exploration.. but an exploration of what? Space? Self? Others? The universe? Our universe?... And here we are, 40+ years on.. bickering about our own interpretations of this new imaginative vision of his voice, attempting to force our own particular viewpoint of what we believe to be a correct version of his ideals onto others who apparently claim to also believe in his ideals.
Petty claims of "where the ship should be built", "How Kirk's personality is slightly off", "Gas-powered cars in the future", "nacelle pylons too far back", etc etc.......Aren't we just going to further prove Jean's point that the human race was unable to put "petty" differences aside, and continues to do so 40 years on?
If those who claim to hold Trek so dear cant put aside their differences in beliefs for a greater understanding and appreciation of what it is to be human, the differences that make us individuals which should be the very things that bind us together, and the understanding that individuality is WHAT it is to be human whilst attempting to set aside the inherent conflict that this will cause, then what hope has the species as a whole got at ever setting aside the ultimate representations of that, including war, discrimination and generalisation?
To fans of any Trek, this new movie is not a finale to all that has come before, it is a modern twist to a classic human trait which JR only began to highlight in his original series created for a different age which is evermore increasingly defined only in historical records. Even the cast from his first incarnation are approaching their final years in our society, if not already a part of history themselves.
His 2nd incarnation, the Next Generation was also created for a different age which we are privileged to have been a part of, and now gracefully able to whiteness also become a part of OUR history and experience of our years. Other commercial offshoots of that vision aka DS9, Voyager, Enterprise are an added bonus, some pick, some choose, some embrace.
Now once again with the torch passed to a new director with a new creative vision relevant to the current age, be his style to your own tastes or not, a man who has proven himself to have a popular identification with a modern audience, we are once again privileged to see a fresh injection of creative talent into something we can choose to embrace or argue away as being far-fetched and unbelievable.
Whatever your age, whatever Trek you like, whatever your opinion and may whatever god you believe in, have mercy on your soul.
Xander, 26, Bournemouth, UK.
It's petty to argue about how much research is necessary to spell someone's name right.
Y'know, if a "media student of 4 years" is going to lecture me about "Jean Roddenberry's" vision, I'd hope he or she would have the research skills to discover the man's name was "Gene Roddenberry".
I am dyslexic, and you seem to have proved my point.
Hardly, it undermines the credibility of someone who has attempted to build up their case with an appeal to authority.
Y'know, if a "media student of 4 years" is going to lecture me about "Jean Roddenberry's" vision, I'd hope he or she would have the research skills to discover the man's name was "Gene Roddenberry".
I am dyslexic, and you seem to have proved my point.
Odd then that you had so few spelling errors in the rest of your post ... about the same frequency and types that I make. But when I underscore a glaring shortcoming of your research, you run to hide behind a disability. You're very generous calling those of us who are troubled by this upcoming film's cavalier attitude towards established Trek "petty" ... will you be equally generous if one of us instead observed a cowardly debate style and called you "pathetic"?
It's petty for me to think I should have appended a sarcasm tag.
(I'm on your side - not big on substituting excuses for results.)
Hardly, it undermines the credibility of someone who has attempted to build up their case with an appeal to authority.
Y'know, if a "media student of 4 years" is going to lecture me about "Jean Roddenberry's" vision, I'd hope he or she would have the research skills to discover the man's name was "Gene Roddenberry".
I am dyslexic, and you seem to have proved my point.
Odd then that you had so few spelling errors in the rest of your post ... about the same frequency and types that I make. But when I underscore a glaring shortcoming of your research, you run to hide behind a disability. You're very generous calling those of us who are troubled by this upcoming film's cavalier attitude towards established Trek "petty" ... will you be equally generous if one of us instead observed a cowardly debate style and called you "pathetic"?
My browser's inline spell checker doesnt underline Jean or Gene with a red line I'm afraid.
What does your inline spell checker say about calling people "petty"? [snaps fingers] Oh! Wait! I bet you have Tourette's too!
Alright, Xan82, how about this? Drop the smug attitude and stop calling people with an opinion different from yours "petty" and maybe we can find common ground somewhere?
It's petty for me to think I should have appended a sarcasm tag.
Sorry ... Xan82's first post really rubbed me the wrong way and I've yet to put down the bat'leth.
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I would imagine you could search "define: petty" google for a complete definition and description to the nature of your replies.
Okay, the 'JR' had me scratching my head for a few moments, too, but I think it's been hashed over sufficiently at this point. We've got the whole rest of xan's post to address. Or new comments on the trailer to add and/or pick apart. Something like that.
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