Official Trailer Review & Comments Thread!! [Spoilers, of course]

[Tyberius]

I can't think of a single good reason for it to be built planetside other than to have Kirk sneak in to look at it and it seems to me he could just as easily have taken a shuttle trip and snuck into a shipyard to view the construction.

I can. Access to labor.

Likely there are more warm bodies on the planet, willing to work for less than warm bodies living on a space station.

Say what you will about the ease of relocation and the effectiveness of the transporter allowing you to move people, but even logistically it would be better to have that labor pool live and work in its natural environment.

 

[Tyberius]

Expensive in a society without money?

Please bear in mind that money is just an abstract concept that allows on to apply a relative value to all things. In the future, there may not be greenbacks, but there is certainly relative value of inputs and outputs. There is certainly a time/resource problem in building a ship of that magnitude - even if they just made it materialize out of thin air.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Expensive in a society without money?

Please bear in mind that money is just an abstract concept that allows on to apply a relative value to all things. In the future, there may not be greenbacks, but there is certainly relative value of inputs and outputs. There is certainly a time/resource problem in building a ship of that magnitude - even if they just made it materialize out of thin air.

Yeah, that was one of the most obnoxious of all of Roddenberry's latter-year conceits... with the UFP being one vast Socialist Utopia. I can accept "no currency" (all transactions being electronic) but "no money" is simply nonsensical. Otherwise, everyone has their own planet, or at least their own palace, with infinite luxuries. And even then, human nature would result in everyone wanting to have a palace just a LITTLE bit bigger and better than their neighbor's palace...

 

[JuanBolio]

So, here's a question.

Is the ship being built in SanFran or Iowa?

San Francisco, probably, based on Abrams' commentary on the trailer.

 

[siskokid888]

In ENT, once again as I recall, we saw some work being done on the NX-01 in space, but the main structure was in place. I'm sure I'm forgetting something, but I don't recall ever seeing a ship being built in space, so how this is "canon" (gag) I don't know.

NX-02

OK, you got me with that - they showed ONE over 5 series and 10 films. I will counter and say it does not prove that that is the ONLY way starships are built.

 

[Trekker4747]

what i like most is that we've broken from all the stupid idiosyncracies that un-creative people just HAD to follow. that same dull droll music, that anti-septic feeling to everything, the very undynamic sort of writing. It's not so much that JJ is super special, i think any remotely independent spirit with his own vision could bring about this change, the real problem is that Star Trek was NEVER GIVEN to any new creative voices. Their big chance was post Voyager and post Insurrection... and they opted for things that seemed vaguely different but were actually just more of the same, nemesis and enterprise.

This much I can agree with. The previous two Trek movies (Nem, Ins) were verile sterile and vanilla looking. I mean they had nothing visually dynamic or interesting in them. The trailer for this movie is far and above more visually dynamic and interesting looking than the entirety of both of the most recent previous Trek movies.

 

[cooleddie74]

In ENT, once again as I recall, we saw some work being done on the NX-01 in space, but the main structure was in place. I'm sure I'm forgetting something, but I don't recall ever seeing a ship being built in space, so how this is "canon" (gag) I don't know.

NX-02

OK, you got me with that - they showed ONE over 5 series and 10 films. I will counter and say it does not prove that that is the ONLY way starships are built.

I'm sure there'd have to be SOME ground construction yards in case an alien/enemy attack destroyed or disabled all the orbital space ones. Would be sorta dumb for Starfleet to operate otherwise.

 

[JuanBolio]

The nacelles at the very least were probably built on the ground and then shipped up.

 

[DaveyNY]

In ENT, once again as I recall, we saw some work being done on the NX-01 in space, but the main structure was in place. I'm sure I'm forgetting something, but I don't recall ever seeing a ship being built in space, so how this is "canon" (gag) I don't know.

NX-02

Just guessing' here (and I know it's not Official/can't be proved) but perhaps it was discovered during the time between ENTERPRISE and TOS that completely building a Star Ship in space was not practical?
As shown during ENTERPRISE, Earth is pretty much trying to impress the Hell out of the Vulcan's and to prove Its' worthiness to go into space beyond our solar system, thus the very impressive Orbital Docks.

Maybe when our arrogance calmed down it was discovered it IS easier to build it on the ground and then launch it?

And Again... once May 8th 2009 hit's, WE are going to have to figure out how to work this into the LORE anyway (if what's shown during the movie doesn't already satisfy the changes.)

(..for the record...I like ENTERPRISE)

 

[controlfreak]

It's ironic that people choose to cite the NX-01 as an example to support this whole "It can ONLY be made in space" argument, expecially since some making that argument wouldn't consider ENT to be "canon." Whatever that is.

 

[cooleddie74]

ENT is canon. Like it or not, people. You don't have to like it. Just get over it.

 

[SonicRanger]

To be fair, we have evidence that Galaxy-class saucer sections, at least, are built or overhauled or assembled in space:

VOY "Relativity"
http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/5x24/relativity_000.jpg

TNG "Booby Trap"
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s3/3x06/boobytrap104.jpg

It is possible that the engineering section was built first and tested with a skeleton or test saucer section, which was either finished later or replaced with a fully functional model.

 

[Qonos]

Or they are bringing up prefab modules to slide into place. There are many many ways to do the job...

 

[cultcross]

It's ironic that people choose to cite the NX-01 as an example to support this whole "It can ONLY be made in space" argument, expecially since some making that argument wouldn't consider ENT to be "canon." Whatever that is.

The canon, in Trek terms, is the live action film & TV as aired. Nothing more, nothing less. ENT is therefore canonical, however much you dislike it.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

It's ironic that people choose to cite the NX-01 as an example to support this whole "It can ONLY be made in space" argument, expecially since some making that argument wouldn't consider ENT to be "canon." Whatever that is.

The canon, in Trek terms, is the live action film & TV as aired. Nothing more, nothing less. ENT is therefore canonical, however much you dislike it.

The problem comes into play when there are televised/filmed bits that directly contradict other televised/filmed bits.

That's something that this new film is going to add to, dramatically... it's going to INCREASE the "canon holy wars" rather than putting an end to them like some folks seem to want to pretend.

 

[Neopeius]

I can't think of a single good reason for it to be built planetside other than to have Kirk sneak in to look at it and it seems to me he could just as easily have taken a shuttle trip and snuck into a shipyard to view the construction.

I can. Access to labor.

Likely there are more warm bodies on the planet, willing to work for less than warm bodies living on a space station.

Say what you will about the ease of relocation and the effectiveness of the transporter allowing you to move people, but even logistically it would be better to have that labor pool live and work in its natural environment.

If the Federation has anti-gravity, there's no reason not to build a ship on the surface.

 

[Qonos]

It's ironic that people choose to cite the NX-01 as an example to support this whole "It can ONLY be made in space" argument, expecially since some making that argument wouldn't consider ENT to be "canon." Whatever that is.

The canon, in Trek terms, is the live action film & TV as aired. Nothing more, nothing less. ENT is therefore canonical, however much you dislike it.

The problem comes into play when there are televised/filmed bits that directly contradict other televised/filmed bits.

That's something that this new film is going to add to, dramatically... it's going to INCREASE the "canon holy wars" rather than putting an end to them like some folks seem to want to pretend.

Unfortunately this is something I can agree with you on. I won't be a part of the canon holy wars though seeing as I likes my Trek as Entertainment not as my religion.

 

[DaveyNY]

The canon, in Trek terms, is the live action film & TV as aired. Nothing more, nothing less. ENT is therefore canonical, however much you dislike it.

The problem comes into play when there are televised/filmed bits that directly contradict other televised/filmed bits.

That's something that this new film is going to add to, dramatically... it's going to INCREASE the "canon holy wars" rather than putting an end to them like some folks seem to want to pretend.

Unfortunately this is something I can agree with you on. I won't be a part of the canon holy wars though seeing as I likes my Trek as Entertainment not as my religion.

SACRILEGE!!!!

Drop to yer Trekonian knees and give US 100-FASCINATING's; 50-He's Dead Jim's and 25-SHE KINNA TAKE ANYMORE's...
Then pray to the "Great-Bird-Of-The-Galaxy" that your Trekonian Soul is saved!!!


>snicker<

 

[Qonos]

The problem comes into play when there are televised/filmed bits that directly contradict other televised/filmed bits.

That's something that this new film is going to add to, dramatically... it's going to INCREASE the "canon holy wars" rather than putting an end to them like some folks seem to want to pretend.

Unfortunately this is something I can agree with you on. I won't be a part of the canon holy wars though seeing as I likes my Trek as Entertainment not as my religion.

SACRILEGE!!!!

Drop to yer Trekonian knees and give US 100-FASCINATING's; 50-He's Dead Jim's and 25-SHE KINNA TAKE ANYMORE's...
Then pray to the "Great-Bird-Of-The-Galaxy" that your Trekonian Soul is saved!!!


>snicker<

Yes Reverend I have seen the light. Oh Great GR Forgive me of my sins.

*does 100 It's life but not as we know it's*

 

[trevanian]

I can't think of a single good reason for it to be built planetside other than to have Kirk sneak in to look at it and it seems to me he could just as easily have taken a shuttle trip and snuck into a shipyard to view the construction.

I can. Access to labor.

Likely there are more warm bodies on the planet, willing to work for less than warm bodies living on a space station.

Built by the lowest bidder, done with illegal migrant workers no doubt. What about 'skilled' labor? Spacers who assemble ships in zerogee automatically, because they're used to working that way. And they're already up there, which is where you'd have all your zero-gee fabrication anyway, which lets you do stuff you CAN'T do on Earth.

This really is a clear case of science fiction with some extrapolation vs space fantasy, so you guys can have your STAR WARS version of Trek and run with it. But to me, the Enterprise will always have the Kansas song Borne on Wings of Steel playing under it, because it is a creature of space and it won't come down, because it doesn't live down here, it lives up there.