Official Terminator Season Two Spoiler Thread

[Guy Gardener]

Are we going to start seeing alternate futures? The death of Andy Goode has to count for some massive changes to the integrity of the timeline, because as it stands i am thinking that the timetravel doesn't change the futurepresent at all,which makes all this insanely pointless.

 

[nx1701g]

Andy Goode's death would no longer be a factor anyway. The Turk was already completed. I do think though that history has already been changed and - like a rubberband - it's snapping back things to make sure that the flow of time remains constant.

Example: In the original continuity Andy Goode won the chess tournament and the military contract with - theoretically - Turk 1. Since Derek destroyed Turk 1, Andy built Turk 2. This was in turn stolen and passed on to an indepent business executive (storyline for season 2). Since Turk 2 was completed its possible Andy's part in the story was already over when Derek killed him.

And we don't know what changes may have already happened. Derek would be an alternate universe Derek in this storyline that they're beginning now.

 

[Guy Gardener]

But not alternate enough for it to be noticeable?

As long as we never see another time line which can make woolly jumpers like at the end of Terminator II.

 

[nx1701g]

^ Terminator II... there is no Terminator II.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Andy Goode's death would no longer be a factor anyway. The Turk was already completed. I do think though that history has already been changed and - like a rubberband - it's snapping back things to make sure that the flow of time remains constant.

At the very least, he can't become a resistance fighter, and Derek can't meet him or hear his confession. But maybe Andy being dead would change that future mission. Or maybe if Andy wasn't in the future, Derek wouldn't get the idea to go back and try to change things.

I think it's safe to say the future is largely changeable, otherwise all the actions in the show are completely futile. The conclusion of the show has to be the prevention of Skynet.

 

[nx1701g]

Not necessarily about the series concluding with the prevention of Skynet's creation. Judgment Day could be inevitable.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Only because these buggers ain't going back far enough in time.

Murder Thomas Edison in his crib.

It'll still be cowboy technology here abouts unless Tesla wasn't a crybaby bitch talking out of his hat.

 

[nx1701g]

^ Unless he was a Terminator. The opening teaser of the Turk really makes me wonder if Skynet may have sent terminators back in time to protect the founders of invention.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Edison was a terminator who ridiculed and sidebarred the inventiveness of Nickoli Tessla?

Most of their intrusions have pushed judgment day back, allowing ma to create better technology to build skynet from, I'm wondering if in the original timeline that we have never seen if Skynet was steam powered?

 

[Samurai8472]

What the terminators needed to do is go back before Sarah was born and kill her parents but they didn't know the exact Connor to target

 

[Guy Gardener]

Skynet didn't know about Sarah, Kyle and John when it sent back Arnie backwards into the first movie, which created a future where Skynet still won, but after that, Skynet knew enough to target John when he was Ten and not miss by an inch which failed so insanely that Judgment day never happened, then some one edited the last 5 minutes out of the movie and the it seems as if Skynet did again after all still win till 2030 something because they had so much information on the resitance that they could target 20 + of his lieutenants + the wife + they had Johns DNA on file(Which should have thrown up some flags if they had Kyles DNA on file from when he was ni a work camp?)... Did you see the T-800 in the first movie cross check the DNA of all the Sarah Connor's he terminated? But even after the events of the third movie Skynet still won till the fourth decade of this century and it would seem that they were sending more t-800's and John was sending more Kyle Reese the metal bastard which is an odd redundancy (which we never viewed as multiple kyles and T-800's fought over the right to see who would fuck sarah (Literally and figuratively respectively. )since a timeline doesn't change till after a traveler enters a timeline destroying their own future since it becomes impossible (Predestination is a gimps game.)for them to have been sent into the past if they were already there making the changes they thought would redirect time with and...

Each iteration gives (each) Skynet more clues about the shape of the past.

 

[nx1701g]

What the terminators needed to do is go back before Sarah was born and kill her parents but they didn't know the exact Connor to target

There is, believe it or not, an alternate universe story where Skynet does do that. Grandma and Grandpa Connor do survive it.

 

[nx1701g]

Skynet didn't know about Sarah, Kyle and John when it sent back Arnie backwards into the first movie, which created a future where Skynet still won, but after that, Skynet knew enough to target John when he was Ten and not miss by an inch which failed so insanely that Judgment day never happened, then some one edited the last 5 minutes out of the movie and the it seems as if Skynet did again after all still win till 2030 something because they had so much information on the resitance that they could target 20 + of his lieutenants + the wife + they had Johns DNA on file(Which should have thrown up some flags if they had Kyles DNA on file from when he was ni a work camp?)... Did you see the T-800 in the first movie cross check the DNA of all the Sarah Connor's he terminated? But even after the events of the third movie Skynet still won till the fourth decade of this century and it would seem that they were sending more t-800's and John was sending more Kyle Reese the metal bastard which is an odd redundancy (which we never viewed as multiple kyles and T-800's fought over the right to see who would fuck sarah (Literally and figuratively respectively. )since a timeline doesn't change till after a traveler enters a timeline destroying their own future since it becomes impossible (Predestination is a gimps game.)for them to have been sent into the past if they were already there making the changes they thought would redirect time with and...

Each iteration gives (each) Skynet more clues about the shape of the past.

Skynet has survived more than once by using alternate backups to restore its systems after a main facility is destroyed. Following T1 a backup processor was activated in Los Angeles. Following that it was restored to the original CRS facility for Terminator 3. They do actually destroy it in the T3 storyline (at least in the novel) as the last copy is supposedly destroyed.

As for multiple combatants in the past: I've long assumed that Skynet has sent multiple teams back in time to accomplish its goals. If they killed, for example, John's top lieutenant in one storyline how would they have ever known he'd existed in the first place? In the novel of T2 (T800 and T1000 were sent back the same date) they knew John Connor existed because they were in the temporal chamber when the changes caught up with them so they knew to send someone back to protect Connor.

 

[Samurai8472]

I had a thought from terminator 2 that if Judgement day wasn't stopped Sarah would tell John to remember everything he can and input it into the protector terminator. Thus the terminator would have in a sense pre cognition.

Don't kill
You must melt yourself

John 45- I'll teach the terminator hasta la vista

young John-And if you want to shine them on it's...

Terminator- hasta la vista baby

young john- how'd you know?

Terminator- you told me

 

[nx1701g]

There's a theory that the T-800 had been programmed with certain mission variables prior to his being sent back in time. One of them was that he was sent back with the orders not to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary. Most of the people he encountered in the early parts of the film he didn't kill even if he did engage them.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Skynet didn't know about Sarah, Kyle and John when it sent back Arnie backwards into the first movie, which created a future where Skynet still won, but after that, Skynet knew enough to target John when he was Ten and not miss by an inch which failed so insanely that Judgment day never happened, then some one edited the last 5 minutes out of the movie and the it seems as if Skynet did again after all still win till 2030 something because they had so much information on the resitance that they could target 20 + of his lieutenants + the wife + they had Johns DNA on file(Which should have thrown up some flags if they had Kyles DNA on file from when he was ni a work camp?)... Did you see the T-800 in the first movie cross check the DNA of all the Sarah Connor's he terminated? But even after the events of the third movie Skynet still won till the fourth decade of this century and it would seem that they were sending more t-800's and John was sending more Kyle Reese the metal bastard which is an odd redundancy (which we never viewed as multiple kyles and T-800's fought over the right to see who would fuck sarah (Literally and figuratively respectively. )since a timeline doesn't change till after a traveler enters a timeline destroying their own future since it becomes impossible (Predestination is a gimps game.)for them to have been sent into the past if they were already there making the changes they thought would redirect time with and...

Each iteration gives (each) Skynet more clues about the shape of the past.

Skynet has survived more than once by using alternate backups to restore its systems after a main facility is destroyed. Following T1 a backup processor was activated in Los Angeles. Following that it was restored to the original CRS facility for Terminator 3. They do actually destroy it in the T3 storyline (at least in the novel) as the last copy is supposedly destroyed.

As for multiple combatants in the past: I've long assumed that Skynet has sent multiple teams back in time to accomplish its goals. If they killed, for example, John's top lieutenant in one storyline how would they have ever known he'd existed in the first place? In the novel of T2 (T800 and T1000 were sent back the same date) they knew John Connor existed because they were in the temporal chamber when the changes caught up with them so they knew to send someone back to protect Connor.

When I said alternate Skynets, i wasn't talking about backups but cross time Skynets living in different timelines which can all send information and warriors back into a shared history, which in turn will create yet more future timelines with differently abilitied Skynets with subtly different agendas because of their different world view and general knowledge. of course most of them would be popping out of existence, as other timelines become more dominant...

The eye of the storm theory is nice. but that would mean that the shielded area would be constantly colliding with new time locus disjoint from causality like a time capsule traveling sideways which could include Skynet or/and John and his band of merry men walking out of the eye to meet a completely unfamiliar world including alternate versions of themselves.

 

[Sephiroth]

i was more interested in future andy's line about him creating a child and not knowing how to console it or something along the lines

 

[Uncle Tobias]

There's a theory that the T-800 had been programmed with certain mission variables prior to his being sent back in time. One of them was that he was sent back with the orders not to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary. Most of the people he encountered in the early parts of the film he didn't kill even if he did engage them.

I like this theory because, it looks like not only most but *every* person he encountered survived. At the bar scene where he gets his clothes, you can briefly see the guy he threw out the window landed on a car and is moving, not dead. I don't think the T-800 kills a single person in the movie even before talking to John.

 

[nx1701g]

Leaked season two footage

 

[nx1701g]

There's a theory that the T-800 had been programmed with certain mission variables prior to his being sent back in time. One of them was that he was sent back with the orders not to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary. Most of the people he encountered in the early parts of the film he didn't kill even if he did engage them.

I like this theory because, it looks like not only most but *every* person he encountered survived. At the bar scene where he gets his clothes, you can briefly see the guy he threw out the window landed on a car and is moving, not dead. I don't think the T-800 kills a single person in the movie even before talking to John.

No one was killed - the biker with the knife was close in the novel but wasn't killed - and the scene in the parking lot at night could have been staged.