Of God's and Men ??

[CaptainMatt]

Oh I would love to see a fan film based on Captain Sulu and his Excelsior exploits.
I think George did do a fan production where they started out on the Excelsior then went back in time to when he was still helmsman on the original Enterprise.
And I believe I once read a book that had Chekov as First Officer.

 

[Captain Atkin]

Oh I would love to see a fan film based on Captain Sulu and his Excelsior exploits.
I think George did do a fan production where they started out on the Excelsior then went back in time to when he was still helmsman on the original Enterprise.
And I believe I once read a book that had Chekov as First Officer.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was a book that had Chekov as Sulu's first officer. I'm sure someone one here knows which book it is. George starred as Sulu (as Captain of the Excelsior) in an episode of Star Trek: Phase II. Not much of the episode took place on the Excelsior though; it was him reflecting on an incident from the past, onboard Cawley's Enterprise. I love the guys at Phase II, but my preference would be for a Sulu episode that felt more like a "lost episode", where there wasn't any other actors playing familiar parts (like Kirk, Spock).

One thing I really liked about ST: OGAM is that they didn't recast any of the 'principal' actors from TOS. Having Cawley play Kirk's nephew was a smart move, and if he appeared in an Excelsior episode, I would want him playing Kirk's nephew again.

 

[CaptainMatt]

I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Uhura and Chekov again, after years of feeling like we had seen the last of them in anything connected to Star Trek. And Alan Ruck proved himself to be an engaging character after all.

 

[USS Excelsior]

The original Charlie Evans was going to appear in it but he had some broken bone or something so he couldn't make it so they instead used someone that appeared as a Bajoran security officer in one DS9 episode.

As for Generations they could have had Spock and Scotty appear in it legitimately since their characters are still alive in the TNG era.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Well, I give them credit for getting someone who at least looked somewhat like Robert Walker and could give a good approximation of the character.

 

[CaptainMatt]

I thought the guy playing Gary was too much though.

 

[DestinyCaptain]

I thought Alan Ruck was the best thing about this film.

 

[Captain Atkin]

I thought Alan Ruck was the best thing about this film.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing an Enterprise-B fan film all about him as Captain of the Enterprise.

 

[CaptainMatt]

That would be interesting to watch unfold. I do believe OGAM has redeemed the Harriman character from his less than stellar performance in Generations.

 

[Tom]

I've heard that the original concept would have had Sulu in the Harriman role, but that George either wasn't interested or wasn't available so they rejiggered the plot to have Harriman as Captain of the Conqueror.

Yes you are correct, that was a part of the orriginal plan. George was unavailable at the time, as was Robert Walker and Gary Lockwood. And another tibit was since the Enterprise-M was museum ship there would have been a scene where you would have seen a holograpic Scotty and McCoy but it was removed early on.

 

[CaptainMatt]

No, no, you should have kept that in. Why didn't you keep it in? I bet lots of fans would have thought nothing but the best if they had seen Scotty and Bones in holgraphic form. It could only have added to the film. So any chance for a sequel?

 

[Maurice]

^^^Not if it was a scene that didn't advance the plot or wrecked the pacing.

 

[USS Intrepid]

Ruck was certainly one of the better things about OGAM.

 

[CaptainMatt]

^^^Not if it was a scene that didn't advance the plot or wrecked the pacing.

Who says it would have wrecked the pacing? I never assumed they would be totally interactive versions of their real selves, you know. I just thought it would be fun having them visually represented, something for the fans to see and perhaps see as a good thing.

Either way, it really depeneds what the writers were planning to do with such a scene.

 

[Bixby]

Ruck was certainly one of the better things about OGAM.

I totally agree...

I commend the cast and crew for actually DOING the film and getting it out there. Alan Ruck and Walter Koenig's performances were outstanding.

Things I liked less were the overly fan-wanky bits (Uhura reprising the 'needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one' speech, for instance). The massive, orgiastic spaceship battle at the end just got to be too, too much...

I had a bit of trouble just enjoying the film and forgetting the 'waitaminute' moments: for instance at the beginning Charlie Evans wants revenge on Kirk so he manages to activate the Guardian of Forever and IIRC causing Kirk to die while in utero or soon after being born...

As a result Kirk never grew to adulthood and commanded the Enterprise. So far, ok.

So Kirk never went to Starfleet and met Gary Mitchell. But without Kirk taking him along, what are the chances Mitchell would still be onboard whichever starship was assigned to cross the Great Barrier? Aren't chances greater he would've ended up anywhere else in the galaxy and never even come close to that fateful area?

But if indeed by chance Mitchell does relive all those events and is zapped up the evolutionary ladder, enabling him to begin taking over the galaxy: with Starfleet in turmoil as a result, would Charlie STILL have been found on his abandoned planet and rescued, thus meeting Kirk and especially Janice Rand? With Mitchell causing universal chaos, wouldn't Charlie remain marooned?

So how did Rand end up as Mitchell's personal slave anyway? Why would he have kept her for 40 years?

With Mitchell busy conquering the galaxy following his ascension, it's bizarre that the planet Vulcan at the beginning of OGAM appears virtually peaceful and strife-free, since Uhura managed to end up there, marrying Stonn and building a family (she has grand-kids). So in 40 years, Mitchell stayed completely away from Vulcan?

Just a few head-scratching moments for me...

 

[Maurice]

^^^Not if it was a scene that didn't advance the plot or wrecked the pacing.

Who says it would have wrecked the pacing? I never assumed they would be totally interactive versions of their real selves, you know. I just thought it would be fun having them visually represented, something for the fans to see and perhaps see as a good thing.

Either way, it really depeneds what the writers were planning to do with such a scene.

I didn't say it would have wrecked the pacing. I listed two possible reasons why its inclusion might've been a detriment to the film. Scenes are usually cut for good reason. You don't throw out a scene that makes the film work better.

Writer's intent doesn't matter in editing: it's whether the scene as-filmed works. The script is not the film that gets made, it's the film you planned to make.

 

[CaptainMatt]

I just want to know, and this is the ONLY thing that had me wondering, what happened between Stonn and T'Pring that Uhura ends up marrying him and has a family eventually with him?

 

[J.C. England]

Obviously...she was not emotional enough
for him. LOL

 

[CaptainMatt]

Thanks for that, I shall make a note of that in my log.

 

[CaptJimboJones]

Anyone of you know WHY this was made?
Maybe these people involved had too much time and had the crazy idea of making "a fan movie"? nothing to win, only to loose, why?

It was originally conceived by "Sky" Conway as a money maker that would be sold to fans. Here's how Tim Russ described the project:

This is not a fan film. This is an independent Trek feature, and we have every intention of selling it to the public as either a download or on DVD. Fan films are usually allowed to be viewed for free. Not to take away from the hard work and dedication of the people who make fan films, the quality of "Gods and Men" is superior the the typical fan film. I was approached by the producer, Sky Douglas Conway , about co-creating the concept for it and directing it. To me at the time, it was more or less another directing job. But it turned out to be something very special.