Observation: Nero is a conspiracy theorist trucker

[Charles Phipps]

Think about it.

He's a guy objectively wrong about how global warming...err, a supernova destroyed his home planet and immediately defaults to what Romulan propaganda said about Spock and the Federation as using it to conduct a false flag operation against his homeworld.

So he decides to seek completely unwarranted "vengeance."

It's all a motivation that is 100% wrong and a working class guy goes on a shooting spree.

Perhaps not a deliberate parallel but I always liked the fact that the villain is not one of the big epic Senator or mad scientist types.

 

[fireproof78]

Perhaps not a deliberate parallel but I always liked the fact that the villain is not one of the big epic Senator or mad scientist types.

Nero is one of my personal favorite villains exactly because of this. He is a common, every day guy who was doing his job when something completely unfortunate happen. In his grief, he had to blame someone.

Spoiler: Picture heavy for a Pirates of the Caribbean Reference

Nero is a lone wolf, feeling the weight of a rage he cannot contain. In many ways, he is like Spock, a dark mirror of what he is capable of. Within the text of the film there are brief moments of reflection of that possibility:

Nero isn't just some mad senator, but a person who illustrates both the terrible consequences of a grief turned in to revenge, as well as the incredible possibility of one of Star Trek's most beloved characters, and one who would recognize the danger in the excess:

Nero is great. Fantastic villain and underappreciated.

 

[F. King Daniel]

He's a guy objectively wrong about how global warming...err, a supernova destroyed his home planet and immediately defaults to what Romulan propaganda said about Spock and the Federation as using it to conduct a false flag operation against his homeworld

Okay, how does this silliness extend to Star Trek Picard, where Jean-Luc left Starfleet and spent many years secluded in his mansion over something "objectively wrong"?

Is Romulus still there? Was Picard's interviewer lying? Why did he relocate all those Romulans?

 

[Charles Phipps]

Okay, how does this silliness extend to Star Trek Picard, where Jean-Luc left Starfleet and spent many years secluded in his mansion over something "objectively wrong"?

Is Romulus still there? Was Picard's interviewer lying? Why did he relocate all those Romulans?

Nero believes that the Federation blew up his world, not that it didn't blow up.

As for the evacuation being cancelled, that didn't inspire Nero to blow up Vulcan, it was Spock being near the destroyed Sun.

The retcons don't really affect Nero's motivations.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Okay, how does this silliness extend to Star Trek Picard, where Jean-Luc left Starfleet and spent many years secluded in his mansion over something "objectively wrong"?

Is Romulus still there? Was Picard's interviewer lying? Why did he relocate all those Romulans?

Romulus was destroyed.

Beyond the seat of Romulan empire, hundreds of worlds, maybe thousands, were damaged by extra luminal fallout from the Nova/Red Matter event. So barely explained fake science says that blown up stars shit out death at warp speed, and range for hundreds of light years before they peter out. This was barely explained on screen, it is canon.

Also with out the support or governance of the Imperial seat, politically the Star Empire would break, because no matter how lite or heavy the damage suffered by each colony world, there would be zero humanitarian aid sent from a centralized relief effort, meanwhile every regional governor is going declare themselves king or Emperor and then no one is safe from space pirates because the hundred new governments replacing the Romaulan Star Empire is now just also a pack of space pirates too as there is no unified law book or rule book on how Romulans are supposed to live in the new world order, with zero interest in helping any one else that is probably more than likely now an enemy.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Romulus was destroyed.

Beyond the seat of Romulan empire, hundreds of worlds, maybe thousands, were damaged by extra luminal fallout from the Nova/Red Matter event. So barely explained fake science says that blown up stars shit out death at warp speed, and range for hundreds of light years before they peter out. This was barely explained on screen, it is canon.

I thought preventing that was why Spock did the red matter.

And presumably nonsense reason A is why it was traveling at warp speed and the same reason a yellow star blew up.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I thought preventing that was why Spock did the red matter.

And presumably nonsense reason A is why it was traveling at warp speed and the same reason a yellow star blew up.

If you open a black hole less than one AU away from an unsuspecting star, do you imagine there are no explosive consequences?

1. The FTL discharge always happens during a nova, its just that real science in 2009 is not advanced enough to understand how that happens. Starfleet tried and failed to save the day and nothing worse happened because of their heroic efforts.

Or...

2. The FTL discharge only happens during a nova spiced up with a red matter cataclysm, its just that real science in 2009 is not advanced enough to understand how that happens. Starfleet tried and failed to save the day and everything became a million times worse because of their heroic efforts.

 

[Charles Phipps]

If you open a black hole less than one AU away from an unsuspecting star, do you imagine there are no explosive consequences?

I hate to be the tautological guy but... "Why do it then?"

Spock very much did so after the explosion for ReasonsTM.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I hate to be the tautological guy but... "Why do it then?"

Spock very much did so after the explosion for ReasonsTM.

Obviously the black hole was mistake.

He was trying to stabilize the star.

His math sucked for once.

It may have had something to do with the 30 or so singularity powered Warbirds in the system, making sure Spock knew what he was doing, throwing his math off.

Conjecture...

The Singularities used to power those those ships, and many other ships, were created from harvesting stellar matter from the Romulan Star. This critical reduction in mass over time, created the instability, and why Spock thought adding Red Matter would sure the bastard up.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Red Matter also creates wormholes too so it's a very valid machine but I think Spock knew what he was doing since he launched the Red Matter after the explosion had happened.

He didn't trigger it.

 

[publiusr]

If I were Nero I might be suspicious too.

First Praxis (Section 31) then his homeworld?

Earth was sitting pretty after Klingons and Romulans—further exhausted after Borg and Dominion incursions—were a shadow of what they once were.

 

[The Wormhole]

First Praxis (Section 31)

???

 

[M'Sharak]

First Praxis (Section 31)

???

Looks like that was a story element in a comic tie-in series?

Praxis (alternate reality)

Praxis was a natural moon of the Klingon homeworld, Qo'noS. It was the only moon of that planet and was inhabited. (Star Trek Into Darkness display graphic) In the alternate reality, Praxis was destroyed by an unknown catastrophic event prior to 2259 and was left severely fragmented as a result...

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Praxis

Praxis (Klingonese: pIraQSIS) was a planetary body, a moon that orbited the Klingon homeworld of Qo'noS in the Klingon home system in the galaxy's Beta Quadrant. Legend had it that Praxis was a gift given to the Klingons from their gods. The legend came from the era when the Klingons first...

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[FederationHistorian]

Okay, how does this silliness extend to Star Trek Picard, where Jean-Luc left Starfleet and spent many years secluded in his mansion over something "objectively wrong"?

Is Romulus still there? Was Picard's interviewer lying? Why did he relocate all those Romulans?

Romulus is gone and wiped off the galactic map. As seen in Admiral Clancy's office.

The interviewer said there were 900M Romulans citizens to be relocated, and there were 10K ferries created to carry them.

Picard said that the Romulans asked for help. And that's building off of events of DS9 and NEM, where there was a thawing of relations.

PRO makes it clear that industrial printers exist in Starfleet, so they should have just created the ferries again, even if they only managed to recreate a small portion of the fleet. But Starfleet gave up on a decade of thawing relations instead and chose to ban synths. There also something of a potential Fedxit of 14 worlds that played a role to Starfleet's decison. But that doesn't get elaborated on, nor why Picard was upset Starfleet chose Federation unity over helping Romulans.

Meanwhile, Spock didn't care for any of that. He just tried to help the Romulans.

The Singularities used to power those those ships, and many other ships, were created from harvesting stellar matter from the Romulan Star.

But that does not make sense. The Romulans had an empire. They had hundreds of stars to choose from to harvest from that’s not their own.

 

[Charles Phipps]

But that does not make sense. The Romulans had an empire. They had hundreds of stars to choose from to harvest from that’s not their own.

Isolationist dictatorships rarely make the wisest of decisions.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Romulus is gone and wiped off the galactic map. As seen in Admiral Clancy's office.

The interviewer said there were 900M Romulans citizens to be relocated, and there were 10K ferries created to carry them.

Picard said that the Romulans asked for help. And that's building off of events of DS9 and NEM, where there was a thawing of relations.

PRO makes it clear that industrial printers exist in Starfleet, so they should have just created the ferries again, even if they only managed to recreate a small portion of the fleet. But Starfleet gave up on a decade of thawing relations instead and chose to ban synths. There also something of a potential Fedxit of 14 worlds that played a role to Starfleet's decison. But that doesn't get elaborated on, nor why Picard was upset Starfleet chose Federation unity over helping Romulans.

Meanwhile, Spock didn't care for any of that. He just tried to help the Romulans.


But that does not make sense. The Romulans had an empire. They had hundreds of stars to choose from to harvest from that’s not their own.

The Romulans left Original Romulus (Vulcan) only 2000 years ago. The previous owners of that star system could have been messy.

 

[The Wormhole]

Looks like that was a story element in a comic tie-in series?

Praxis (alternate reality)

Praxis was a natural moon of the Klingon homeworld, Qo'noS. It was the only moon of that planet and was inhabited. (Star Trek Into Darkness display graphic) In the alternate reality, Praxis was destroyed by an unknown catastrophic event prior to 2259 and was left severely fragmented as a result...

memory-alpha.fandom.com

Praxis

Praxis (Klingonese: pIraQSIS) was a planetary body, a moon that orbited the Klingon homeworld of Qo'noS in the Klingon home system in the galaxy's Beta Quadrant. Legend had it that Praxis was a gift given to the Klingons from their gods. The legend came from the era when the Klingons first...

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Huh. I did read that comic, but I completely forgot all about that.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Weirdly, I speculated about that as a possibility when I saw the Klingons destroyed moon.

 

[XCV330]

Main sequence starts don't go supernova. And if Romulus orbited an unstable. If it had been the kind of star that COULD go supernova, then it would not have made sense for the Romulans to have colonized it, or at least, they would have had plenty of adequate warning that it was time to bug out.

Star Trek is never very good with science but it shat the bed when it came to the 2009 movie. So Nero's conjectures aren't that implausible. And Romulus being in disarray is GOOD for a Galaxy recovering from the Dominion War, from that point of view, good for everyone but the Romulance. After less than a millenium they were back to being Vulcans more or less. Bitter medicine.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Main sequence starts don't go supernova.

The subspace quantum singularity rift drive made it happen or whatever nonsense.