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O'Brien out, Leno back in?

Fox would be stupid not to give Conan whatever he wanted...then some. They have the better network, primetime, ratings, and (amazingly) stability. He'd have a full half hour head start on Leno and Letterman and only competition would be the local news which wouldn't be a big deal considering his target demos, and The Daily Show.
 
Fox would be stupid not to give Conan whatever he wanted...then some. They have the better network, primetime, ratings, and (amazingly) stability. He'd have a full half hour head start on Leno and Letterman and only competition would be the local news which wouldn't be a big deal considering his target demos, and The Daily Show.

I wonder if Conan does go to fox if he takes an hour slot, or the rumored hour and a half slot.
 
Wow, I absolutely LOVE that letter by Conan. There's just no missing the unspoken jab in there-- that if Conan is so concerned about the legacy of the Tonight Show, and about damaging Late Night, then (ahem) someone ELSE should be concerned about it too.

I know he and Jay are supposed to be friendly, but Conan's GOT to be massively annoyed at him right now.

That said, I have to say the chances of me watching Conan on Fox would be a lot higher. He's just way too bland and watered down on the Tonight Show right now, and desperately needs to regain his edge.
 
I was a BIG time Leno fan..I still like him better than LETTERMAN...but in this case, LENO is the bad guy. Conan has grown on me, and i think its totally unfair what they are doing to him...

Leno has lost respect in my eyes. He was supposed to be the 'nice' guy, between he and letterman..now he just comes off as an egomaniac..I hope CONAN goes to FOX and kicks butt..

Rob
 
Fox would be stupid not to give Conan whatever he wanted...then some. They have the better network, primetime, ratings, and (amazingly) stability. He'd have a full half hour head start on Leno and Letterman and only competition would be the local news which wouldn't be a big deal considering his target demos, and The Daily Show.

The biggest hurdle with Conan going to FOX for a late-night talk show is, oddly enough, the same reason that NBC is shitting bricks over Leno: Affiliates. Almost every FOX affiliate has solid syndication contracts for the programming block of 11 p.m. Eastern well into the early hours of the morning. It's going to take a significant amount of money for FOX to be able to create a talk show -- and while cash is no concern to Rupert Murdoch, it still represents a potentially significant issue.
 
Conan really put some fun back into the Tonight show. His opening episode was great.(running from New York to Los Angeles was classic) Its a shame the older tonight fans didnt stick with it. NBC needed to allow Conan some time to generate a fnabase. To bad they are screwing it up.
 
I wonder if Conan does go to fox if he takes an hour slot, or the rumored hour and a half slot.
90 minutes would be fantastic. Johnny Carson's Tonight Show was 90 minutes from 1962 to 1980, after which it was cut back to an hour at Carson's request. Carson thought a faster-paced show would be better (and easier on the host, who was in his mid-50's then). Conan has youth and energy that Carson lacked in 1980, and Conan could have a great 90-minute program if he wants it.
 
Maybe if he did more "swapping dialogue from unrelated franchises" humor. You know, having Jack Bauer spouting lines from The Dark Knight, etc.

I bet that'd be HI-larious.

You know, something like, "He's the comedian late night deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll put him on FOX because he can take it."

GOLD!

Sorry, I didn't realize Letterman's target audience needed positive reinforcement. Would it make you feel better if I just said "Oprah, Uma" a lot?

Fifteen-year-old pop culture references would be a step up, honestly.
 
I never liked Leno's show. Or him in particular... always a huge Conan fan here... I don't know if I blame Leno as much for this as others do though. He agreed to retire 5 years in advance to keep Conan on the network. But he didn't know that he would actually want to retire. I think it's one of those things where you don't truly know you want to retire until you decide one day that it's it. For most of us drones it's obvious when to retire, it's when you have the financial security you desire to do so. But for people who truly love what they do, and have earned great wealth doing it, well, it's different.

The whole thing back in 2004 was about keeping Conan happy. Conan wanted the Tonight Show eventually, he didn't want to wait forever for it either. He had the opportunity to go to ABC or Fox and launch a true third front in the Late Night wars, and NBC naturally didn't like that prospect. I can't blame Conan for taking that deal and I can't blame Leno for feeling resentment over it. For NBC, though, it was a gamble on being able to have it both ways.

Anyway, when 2009 came, and Leno still didn't feel like retiring, which frankly I don't think he's under any obligation to want to... they couldn't renege on Conan, if for no other reason than the $40 million clause. Leno finished his Tonight Show run as the ratings king, so they had to do something to keep him off another network, hence the terrible primetime experiment. It sort of made sense given the problems they had filling out their schedule, but the failure was largely predictable.

Timby brought up Brett Favre, which is a pretty apt comparison. NBC is like the Packers a couple of years ago... two QBs talented enough to start for other teams... and you can't keep the young guy on the bench forever, with an older guy who seemingly will retire for real any time. In football terms it's a little more obvious that you should go with the young talent, especially with the level of waffling out of Brett... but in TV terms... well, Leno had the ratings. They were better than Letterman's. They were better than Conan's.

NBC's offer to move Conan to 12:05, while insulting, makes perfect sense for them. Can't blame them for trying at this point, since clearly they've made the call to stick with Leno, and this gives them an opportunity to not have to pay the full $40 million from the clauses in the 2004 contract. They are asses for doing it, but they made the deals and now they don't have a way out.
 
Fox would be stupid not to give Conan whatever he wanted...then some. They have the better network, primetime, ratings, and (amazingly) stability. He'd have a full half hour head start on Leno and Letterman and only competition would be the local news which wouldn't be a big deal considering his target demos, and The Daily Show.

The biggest hurdle with Conan going to FOX for a late-night talk show is, oddly enough, the same reason that NBC is shitting bricks over Leno: Affiliates. Almost every FOX affiliate has solid syndication contracts for the programming block of 11 p.m. Eastern well into the early hours of the morning. It's going to take a significant amount of money for FOX to be able to create a talk show -- and while cash is no concern to Rupert Murdoch, it still represents a potentially significant issue.

Apparently Fox's affiliate agreements allow fox to put on a late night program, so they could be forced to put it on...

I wonder if Conan does go to fox if he takes an hour slot, or the rumored hour and a half slot.
90 minutes would be fantastic. Johnny Carson's Tonight Show was 90 minutes from 1962 to 1980, after which it was cut back to an hour at Carson's request. Carson thought a faster-paced show would be better (and easier on the host, who was in his mid-50's then). Conan has youth and energy that Carson lacked in 1980, and Conan could have a great 90-minute program if he wants it.

I agree, my biggest complaint about conan's show is that it never feels like there is enough time. That it's always rushed. 90min would be great.
 
I agree, my biggest complaint about conan's show is that it never feels like there is enough time. That it's always rushed. 90min would be great.

Agreed. You just know he's got a lot more material that he just can't squeeze into an hour long format (plus commercials). You know, I really want him to do this now. :lol:
 
Did Leno ever fully regain Carson's audience?

He did eventually because the rest of Carson diehards all died off from old age. Same will happen with Leno's audience. :)

As for Fox, in my area (Boston) Fox has news at 11 but they also have it at 10 for an hour so they could lose the 11pm broadcast. They only put it on 11 to directly compete witht he 11pm news from Cbs, Nbc and Abc. It's works for me, watch the news at 10 then watch Conan right after.
 
I like Jay Leno's stand-up abilities. But even after 18 years, he still can't interview a guest to save his life. I think what NBC should do is keep Conan O'Brien as host of The Tonight Show, let Jay Leno go do his thing on the stand-up circuit, and then bring Leno back every month or so for a 2-hour special.

Although, I don't really want The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien. I want Late Night with Conan O'Brien back. There were some great bits from Late Night that I sorely miss, especially the "interviews" with the celebrity photos with the cut out lips. Plus, by putting him as the host of something as revered as The Tonight Show, Conan loses that edge of being the underdog. I miss that attitude on Late Night of "I can do anything I want because no one is watching TV this late anyway." The only thing that's better about him hosting The Tonight Show is that Andy Richter is back.

The problem with Craig Ferguson is the show starts at 12:37, then he gets 2-3 minutes, there is then a 4 minute commercial. It's 12:41, he talks for ~15 minutes, another commercial, he does Aquaman or whatever and spends too much time on emails, so it's lie 1:05 to 1:07 before they get to the interviews, and then there are -23 more commercial breaks in 20 minutes.

Ferguson needs a stronger producer to exercise control of his program. Budgeting time for guests is a frequent problem. There's no excuse for booking two guests and then bumping one of them. It happened again last Friday when he spent too much time joking about urination with Jason Segel (a segment that started to feel increasingly creepy and gay by the minute) and then was forced to bump actress Shiri Appleby. Craig could improve his show significantly if he just cuts his opening monologue to under 35 minutes. I mean, really, he's not that funny.

I mainly watch him for his monologue, but yeah, a little work on the production side, a little streamlining and he'd be golden (well at least to me anyway).

I disagree with both of you. Typically, when watching late night shows, I lose interest when the comedy bits end & the guest interviews begin. One of the reasons why I love Craig Ferguson is because he's able to just BE funny without a lot of writing or elaborate bits going into it. He brings a sort of disbelieving chaos to it. Sometimes, the guests seem to be more of a distraction than a benefit. Sometimes, during the interviews, they end up talking more about him & his sordid past than about the guests anyway. It's unfortunate for the scheduling when a guest (particularly someone as lovely as Shiri Appleby) gets bumped. However, I'd say the solution to that is to schedule fewer guests.

Apparently, Conan still has an office at the Simpson's production offices. They use it for storage at this point, but they never removed his name plate from the door, note his desk from inside of it, and have said it was his office and it would be there if he ever wanted it back.

If Conan O'Brien went back to The Simpsons, I would probably start watching that show regularly again.

If it weren't for Law & Order (which I continue to watch because I'm helpless for police procedurals and would likely go gay for Sam Waterston)

Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one.:shifty: (Granted, I would prefer Alana De La Garza, but still...)
 
So when Leno retires in 1-3 years then what NBC? So fucking stupid. They should have let Leno go to Fox, if they even wanted him at Fox.

Also 11-midnight (or 11:30 to12:30 for the news) for Conan might not be that great because of Comedy Central, young people watch his show and the CC shows.
 
So when Leno retires in 1-3 years then what NBC? So fucking stupid. They should have let Leno go to Fox, if they even wanted him at Fox.

Also 11-midnight (or 11:30 to12:30 for the news) for Conan might not be that great because of Comedy Central, young people watch his show and the CC shows.

Seems like ABC wanted Leno, Fox wanted Conan... ABC has no interest in Conan if their press statements can be believed.

I think Fox has been trying to pull Conan away for some time.
 
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