So, what I'm gathering here is that Yoda should have let Dooku kill Obi-Wan and Anakin and murdered the fuck out of Dooku.
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I disagree about the production. Some parts looked good but others looked really cheap.So Obi-Wan lets Darth Vader (who killed his friend - and MANY Jedi young and old, because,,,
Sorry, the whole thing turned out to be pointless.
Production value - top notch
Casting - Top notch
Story??? - WTF?
The ending of the duel was silly. I would have had Vader escape. He’s a heel after all and so he would take the cowards way out
Instead of delivering the killing blow, Obi-Wan makes one last desperate try to reach Anakin and turn him back to the good. The effort not only fails, it gives Vader the opportunity to escape.
Later, Ben’s beating himself up for being so stupid. Qui-Gon maybe has some words of wisdom about why he shouldn’t regret this act of mercy and hope, but he’ll still carry a “Forget trying to turn him, you have to kill him” attitude into the OT.
In regards to the similarity to the Ahsoka-Vader battle, I did see a nice meme with the pics. Showing that Obi-Wan smashed off the left side of his helmet, and Ashoka the right side, both giving us a glimpse of Anakin. But only Luke was the one able to fully unmask him and bring back Anakin.
Whether that was intended or not I think that's pretty cool.
Whether that was intended or not I think that's pretty cool.
It's interesting how often Obi-Wan had refrained from outright killing Anakin, yet he wanted someone else or another factor to do the job. In "Revenge of the Sith", he left the seriously wounded Anakin on a lava bank to slowly burn to death, instead of just quickly killing the guy. In "Obi-Wan Kenobi", he refrained from killing Anakin, only smashing one half of his helmet. However, I don't know if he would have succeeded or not in killing the latter. And in "Return of the Jedi", he ignored Luke's comments about sensing good in Anakin and tried to convince him to commit patricide. Very interesting. His refusal to admit that Anakin still had good within is even more interesting, considering that he had witnessed Reva's redemption.
Obi-Wan never tells Luke he wants him to kill Anakin. He says he must face him again. Luke is the one who initially takes that to mean killing him, as he says on Dagobah in ROTJ. Obi-Wan knew the only way to get the Emperor was to get someone close to him to do the job. Seems he borrowed that idea from Reva... and it works. If Obi-Wan had killed Vader, someone else would have simply taken his place, and there's goes any chance of an inside job.
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The first time was understandable. He had truly defeated Anakin and left the volcano to finish him off. What more could he do other than force push him into the lava. The second time makes no sense. Since the end of ROTS it had been Yoda who said that Vader must be destroyed and sent Obi Wan to do it. They both knew the monumental importance of doing it.
Yep, Luke standing over a sleeping, defenseless nephew showed us that....
The Sith master they had been looking for during the past 13 years? The ancient enemy of the Jedi that had returned after thousands of years? As Windu said, he was in control of the Senate. Also, Windu did give him a chance to surrender by telling him he was under arrest, then Palps tried to kill him. Has there ever been another case where a Jedi choose to arrest a sith first? Maul wasn't given that chance, nor was Dooku.Mace Windu had no issue with ending an Emporer who was begging for his life.
And when Luke says he won't kill Vader then Obi Wan says that the Emperor has truly won. That's kinda pressuring the kid to do it.
Small sample size. Obi-Wan never had an opportunity to arrest Maul. Anakin obeys the Chancellor’s order to kill Dooku, but states that arresting him would have been “the Jedi way.”
And he didn't do it.
Obi-Wan is not referring to killing him, he's referring to facing him, which Yoda also told him he must do so he becomes a Jedi. Neither say anything about killing him. The Emperor is the real target here, not Vader.
Just finished it and god one of the biggest disappointments in my life. It started off well but gradually the writing got weaker and downright bizarre. The editing and directing was borderline Fan film at times. The last two episodes were AWFUL.
Why we needed to see 2 sabre fights between Obi Wan/Vader but both were terrible - who the hell were choregraphing these? We know Obi Wan/Vader cannot die so why put Obi Wan in a position to kill Vader. He acknowledges his friend is lost but just lets Vader off. Obi Wan had the ability to cripple the Sith, Empire and save countless lives that Vader will take in the years to come and just walks off
The CGI for young Anakin was dreadful and who the hell did the makeup for Palpatine?
People didn't like the space chase in TLJ so they decided to repeat it in the finale?
The Sith Inquisitor stuff is all over the place.
Why we needed to see 2 sabre fights between Obi Wan/Vader but both were terrible - who the hell were choregraphing these? We know Obi Wan/Vader cannot die so why put Obi Wan in a position to kill Vader. He acknowledges his friend is lost but just lets Vader off. Obi Wan had the ability to cripple the Sith, Empire and save countless lives that Vader will take in the years to come and just walks off
The CGI for young Anakin was dreadful and who the hell did the makeup for Palpatine?
People didn't like the space chase in TLJ so they decided to repeat it in the finale?
The Sith Inquisitor stuff is all over the place.
This may be the first time since 1982 that Ian McDiarmid has actually worn yellow contact lenses without any postproduction enhancement. He looked pretty good. I love the ESB addition of Ian as the Emperor's hologram to Vader but it's clear that was shot when he was filming ROTS, right down to the intensity of his Sith eyes and how, well, expensive and thick the makeup appeared.
Reva was not the self-aggrandizing, violent psychopath that was Anakin. Her on-screen acts were cruel, but she was also playing a part, trying to show her dedication in order to move closer to Vader for her own goal. Anakin proved time and time again, that his "anger and lust for power" (as Obi-Wan put it) and belief that he was better than anyone else (which was not part of what any Chosen One ideas would lead anyone to believe) were not going to allow for self-reflection, remorse or any other state of mind which would have changed him. He was just as Obi-Wan would consider him: twisted and evil.
She was poorly written was the reason. She hates Vader for killing everyone she knows and her plan was to commit similar crimes in order to kill Vader.
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