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News Obi-Wan Kenobi series premiering on May 27

Sure, but it always seemed to me that the only reason Order 66 worked was because they caught the Jedi off guard and hit them with overwhelming numbers.

But still, no matter what, the best person to deal with a Force user is going to be another Force user. No matter how trained a non-Force user is, they still aren't going to be able to match the abilities of the Force user.

I guess all of those dead Jedi during Order 66 were just pretending to be shot to death by simple, non-Force using clones?

And from real world perspective, if we're getting a story about a Jedi, then people are going to want to get some lightsaber duels, and the best way to do that is give them some Dark Side users to fight.

I find what Obi-Wan's life and perspective while in exile (including any Force communication with Yoda or Jinn) far more interesting than flashing lightsabers. If he only uses it as a last resort in the final episode (i.e., he can no longer hide / use blasters, etc.), then that would be justified. If he--and the Inquisitors--are performing light shows in every episode, then that would be gratuitous.
 
Apropos of nothing: I'll be honest, my initial feelings about this show were very much of the "he should never leave Tatooine" persuasion. But as time has gone on a number of things have occurred to me that actually make MORE sense if he had been out into the galaxy at some point in the intervening decades.

First off, the obvious one: Vader lives! While he never explicitly says so in ANH, it's clearly inferred that he knows Vader is still around; why else even name drop him? If he'd been of the belief that Vader died in the lava pit where he left him then Anakin would have been Vader for like a day--if that--before dying. It would make no sense. (and no, I don't buy into the idea that Vader is all over Imperial propaganda at the time, that just seems dumb, also how much mass media exposure is a hermit in the middle of nowhere going to get anyway?!)

Secondly, he seems WAY too familiar with Mos Eisley than a person with a price on their head should be. That place is infested with bounty hunters, mercenaries, spies, info brokers and assassins. They couldn't even get from the used speeder lot to the docking bay without picking up a tail. Hell, Han couldn't even leave the cantina before a bounty hunter cornered him!
The only logical reason for him ever to go there is to charter passage off-world in a way that won't draw attention (i.e. NOT on the public star liners.) So he's clearly done this before.

Thirdly, (and I know this is a very tenuous detail) but in the scene where they get to the Alderaan system, he barely glances at the scanner before saying with assured certainty "that's an Imperial fighter." When he went into hiding, TIEs weren't a thing. The closest the newly formed Empire had was a bunch of v-wings. So again, he's probably had some experience in Imperial space, AND been close enough to a TIE to recognise one at a glace.

Oh yeah, I didn't mean to say a non-Force user could never kill a Jedi, I just meant that another Force would have a better chance against them.
Sure in general terms, but it's still highly situational. For example, even for someone like Obi-Wan a non-force user who's an experienced Jedi killer like say Cad Bane would be more of a threat than a poorly trained, and/or inexperienced force user.
Obi-wan is also one of the best defenive Jedi. He is not infallible, but it usually takes a full on Sith to ragdoll him (Dooku). At least with his lightsaber. Without he has to get more creative, like when he went undercover as a bounty hunter.

The Inquisitors should have issue with taking him. But they aren't there to take him. They are there to keep him occupied until Darth Vader can arrive.
I'd say they're mostly just there to flush him (or any of the "big names" still at large) from cover. They're not subtle. They're not sneaky. They're a pack of hunting hounds. Loud and obvious, there to beat the bushes and force the quarry into the open, so that yes, Vader can corner and kill them.
 
/\ there is also Vader's line in Return of the Jedi where he says that Obi-Wan "once felt as you do" in regards to redeeming Anakin. That implied another meeting between the two in between episode 3 and 4 because I don't remember any attempts by Obi-Wan to bring Anakin back to the light in Revenge of the Sith.
Yeah, that one occurred to me too (but then I forgot it again!)
To add to that; the fact that Ob-Wan clearly failed to get through to Anakin is a good justification why he's later so dead set on Anakin being gone forever. Twisted and evil.
 
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I guess all of those dead Jedi during Order 66 were just pretending to be shot to death by simple, non-Force using clones?
Like I said in the part you quoted yourself, they were caught off-guard, and hit with overwhelming numbers. They trusted their clone soldiers, who they had been fighting side-by-side with the entire war, so were not expecting them to suddenly attack them.
Obi-Wan had his back turned and was riding his lizard up a wall, and only survived because he fell into water and swam away.
Ki-Adi-Mundi had his back turned and was caught so off guard he barely had time to react before he was dead.
Ayla Secura didn't even have time to activate her lightsaber.
Plo Koon was in a fighter, and shot from behind with no warning.
Adi Galia was on a speeder bike, and barely noticed her troopers had dropped off behind before they blew her away.
And Yoda survived because he was managed to sense that some bad shit was going down, and was on alert when his troopers came after him.
So the common theme here is that they were caught completely off guard and most of them were literally shot in the back.
And the two we saw survive, basically lucked out, or were strong enough in the Force that felt they other Jedi die and were on high alert.
 
Like I said in the part you quoted yourself, they were caught off-guard, and hit with overwhelming numbers. They trusted their clone soldiers, who they had been fighting side-by-side with the entire war, so were not expecting them to suddenly attack them.
Obi-Wan had his back turned and was riding his lizard up a wall, and only survived because he fell into water and swam away.
Ki-Adi-Mundi had his back turned and was caught so off guard he barely had time to react before he was dead.
Ayla Secura didn't even have time to activate her lightsaber.
Plo Koon was in a fighter, and shot from behind with no warning.
Adi Galia was on a speeder bike, and barely noticed her troopers had dropped off behind before they blew her away.
And Yoda survived because he was managed to sense that some bad shit was going down, and was on alert when his troopers came after him.
So the common theme here is that they were caught completely off guard and most of them were literally shot in the back.
And the two we saw survive, basically lucked out, or were strong enough in the Force that felt they other Jedi die and were on high alert.

There's no indication that any Jedi could not feel the deaths of other Jedi as Yoda did in ROTS, and if that's true, some should have been tipped off. But that's besides the point, as the idea of Jedi being absolutely invincible to anyone other than another Force user robs the story of any element of risk.
 
The Jedi can feel great disturbances in the Force. Great amounts of death can cause that. Yoda felt the large numbers of Jedi falling and reacted to a threat. But he was quite literally the most powerful Jedi in the order at the time.
 
There's no indication that any Jedi could not feel the deaths of other Jedi as Yoda did in ROTS, and if that's true, some should have been tipped off. But that's besides the point, as the idea of Jedi being absolutely invincible to anyone other than another Force user robs the story of any element of risk.
I never said they were absolutely invincible to anyone who wasn't a Force user, I just meant that another Jedi would stand the best chance of taking them out.
OK, I even just went back over my other posts, and I never said a Jedi was invincible to non-Force users, I said another Force user would have a better chance against them.
I watched all of the movie, and all of Clone Wars, Rebels, some of Resistance, and quite of few of the novels and comics, so I have seen examples of non-Force users killing Jedi, but like with Order 66, it was usually either an ambush, or they were going up against a whole group of enemies. In a one on one, face to face fight, which is what most of the fights with the Inquisitors usually end up being, the Jedi ends up winning the fight the majority of the time.
 
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I never said they were absolutely invincible to anyone who wasn't a Force user, I just meant that another Jedi would stand the best chance of taking them out.
OK, I even just went back over my other posts, and I never said a Jedi was invincible to non-Force users, I said another Force user would have a better chance against them.
I watched all of the movie, and all of Clone Wars, Rebels, some of Resistance, and quite of few of the novels and comics, so I have seen examples of non-Force users killing Jedi, but like with Order 66, it was usually either an ambush, or they were going up against a whole group of enemies. In a one on one, face to face fight, which is what most of the fights with the Inquisitors usually end up being, the Jedi ends up winning the fight the majority of the time.

Well, yeah. The Jedi in question were part of the main cast. Of course they're not going to lose to droids and stormtroopers. When it was random jedi vs Jango Fett....different story. Jango also fought to a draw vs Obi Wan and it took Windu, the second most powerful jedi in the galaxy, to take him out. I also seem to recall non Force user General Grievous collecting lightsabers from the jedi he killed.
 
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And other famous bounty hunters get a reputation if they can take on Jedi with a chance of success. Cade Bane was another such hunter.
 
A week to go. Super excited but think I'm gonna stop reading/watching interviews and anything else connected to it from now on; don't want to be too spoilt or whatnot till I can simply sit down and watch it
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Jango also fought to a draw vs Obi Wan and it took Windu, the second most powerful jedi in the galaxy, to take him out.
This speaks to a fairly common pattern of misunderstanding I've seen regarding the various fights and showdowns throughout the franchise. A prime example is the too often asked question "why is the Ben vs Vader fight in ANH so restrained, compared to the high drama of the Mustafar?"
Not every confrontation is a competition--indeed most aren't--they're stories. Each combatant enters into it with their own motivations and goals, and that all plays out within the larger context of the situational and environmental pressures.

Obi-Wan was trying to capture Jango Fett alive, not kill him. The whole point of the mission was to discover who hired him after all, which is why Kenobi planted a tracker and followed him to Geonosis. Indeed, they went through the exact same thing at the top of the movie with Zam; he chased her down and disarmed (dishanded?) her . . . then Fett killed her before she could talk.
Windu was just plain going in for the kill in pure self defence. Also for context the latter fight was taking place on a chaotic battlefield. Had the jetpack not gotten damaged by the reek and misfired, Jango may have gotten away.

Taking a person in alive (especially those of the heavily armed, armoured and uncooperative persuasion) is always going to be more difficult AND more dangerous than just straight up icing them. Plus as always: context matters.
 
You guys do bring up some good points about fights with Jedi. And I don't mean this as a point in my argument, I'm just asking out of curiosity since I don't know Star Wars as well as some of you. How many non-Force users have we seen kill a Jedi in a one on one, even, face to face fight?
 
How many non-Force users have we seen kill a Jedi in a one on one, even, face to face fight?
I can't recall most of Clone Wars so no doubt others will correct me on stuff I've missed. Jango is the one that stands out the most against Coleman Trebor in AOTC.
 
You guys do bring up some good points about fights with Jedi. And I don't mean this as a point in my argument, I'm just asking out of curiosity since I don't know Star Wars as well as some of you. How many non-Force users have we seen kill a Jedi in a one on one, even, face to face fight?
Mostly just Grevious and Cad Bane if we're only talking serial offenders.

Some Jedi have been overwhelmed by opponents like the ironically named Master Ima-Gun Di, Even Piell, and Ky Narec. There's of course the various clones during Order 66, along with the incidents with Tup & Dogma. I guess there's also the trandosian sport hunters in the Padawan Lost arc, but they specifically trapped padawans, then left them unarmed and isolated with the odds stacked heavily in the hunters' favour (basically the same as how Grevious operated.)
Vizla also mentioned that many Jedi were killed by wielders of the Darksaber over the centuries, though the details or even the veracity of that is unclear. Mostly it seems like it was used to kill other Mandalorians, though it's not impossible that an especially skilled warrior in full beskar and the Darksaber could take down a Padawan. A Knight or Master seems less likely, but circumstances could be stacked against them. That's all assuming single combat of course. It could simply be that it was used as an instrument of execution for captured Jedi. Either way it's a safe bet that a fair number of Jedi were killed in the war with Mandalore, though it's an equally fair bet that the overall casualty numbers for both sides were disproportionally in favour of the Jedi.
I guess the temple bombing also counts, even though a Jedi was ultimately behind the plot.

ETA: Oh and Master Tu-Anh got hit in the optic nerve by a laser dart, though I don't recall if they ever said who specifically did it. Probably a magnaguard or one of the Sugi. Either way: not a force user.
 
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