Obama and taxes
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TheLonelySquire
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^^^Exactly. How someone can defend that statement is astonishing. ANY means ANY. Just as "read my lips, no new taxes" was indefensible as well. Some people just don't like the guy they supported backtracking or getting caught in a lie.
As I said the language used can be very clearly seen to say that you're wrong. I certainly think it was designed to make people think as you do during the campaign, but what was said is different.
The key word being "your," as in taxes on your personal earnings (remarkably, the exact examples he provided), and not consumption taxes which are a completely different thing not mentioned in the video at all.
Considering I already made it quite clear that I would support raising taxes on personal earnings for those making under $250K regardless of any prior campaign promises if it could be shown to my satisfaction that that is what's best for the country and the economy, it seems like you're practicing selective listening again, which is a frequent problem with you, as your interpretation of the video exemplifies.
Again, inflexibility in light of changing situations is not always something to be commended. Being more concerned with living up to past statements than doing what is best in the present is not a virtue, nor is it a lie if you own up to it and admit your were mistaken rather than trying to sweep it under the rug or deliberately misrepresent what you said.
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TheLonelySquire
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You parse almost as well as he does, Locutus! A tax is a tax is a tax. And if we are paying ANY tax it is indeed our tax. Amd ANY still means ANY.
He qualified the statement with important details.
No parsing required, since he spelled out what he was referring to in detail in the same statement you guys provided.
I do feel for you though, suffering from Agenda Driven Selective Listening Syndrome. A.D.S.L.S. has struck down so many in their prime. Imagine, only being able to hear the parts of phone conversations, TV shows, and news reports you want to hear? It's quite tragic, really.
So why are you concerned? You've never supported him at all.
TheLonelySquire
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So why are you concerned? You've never supported him at all.
I'm not allowed to be concerned that he lied during his campaign? I would think that would concern every American. Especially those that saw past the color of his skin and focused on the content of his character.
So why are you concerned? You've never supported him at all.
I'm not allowed to be concerned that he lied during his campaign? I would think that would concern every American. Especially those that saw past the color of his skin and focused on the content of his character.
Perhaps, some saw the content of the other fellows "character" and voted for Obama.
Based on your avatar, you haven't done that. To a large degree, the people who did are the ones who voted him into office.
Quite a bit of parsing that still doesn't hold up. When buying something I still have to pay MY taxes on it. But don't worry, I don't blame you for not believing what he says either.I remember someone made a big deal out of McCain saying he might support taxing health benefits. And now Der Fuhrer is saying the same thing. But if it comes to pass I'm sure that's not the kind of tax he was talking about either.
He said what he said, you can interpret it however you want.
I want to believe he'd keep all his promises, but I don't want him to be constrained by them. It's crazy times out there, I'd rather he raised what needed to be raised and dropped what needed to be dropped, instead of being held by something he said almost a year ago.
Sure, it'll be jerk fodder come election season, but nobody's going to care if the economy's better than it has been. Except the jerks.....
Sure, it'll be jerk fodder come election season, but nobody's going to care if the economy's better than it has been. Except the jerks.....
LIE:
- "I never said I wouldn't raise income taxes on people making less than $250,000 during the campaign."
NOT A LIE:
- "Due to the changing realities of the economy, unfortunately I won't be able to keep my campaign promise of not raising income taxes on people making under $250,000. I apologize for not being able to keep my promise, and I regret having to take this step, but I and Congress believe it is currently in the best interests of the economy and by extension the people to do so" (and then provide the reasons).
Lying implies an intent to deceive, not being forced to change your position due to changing circumstances (or being overruled) and publicly admitting as much while apologizing.
You're perfectly free to ignore plainly spoken language that you don't like and to be as repetitive and full of talking points as you want. It just means I won't take you seriously in these discussions. It's just a shame you have to fall back on the same tactics again. However...
This is going to stop. This is the kind of crap that got political discussion banned from Miscellaneous in the first place, and it's not going to be tolerated again now that we have it back. If you can't discuss politics here without resorting to constantly emphasizing the Hussein in Obama's name, pointless Godwinning, stupid Obama's from Africa comments (not you, but your buddy TLS in another topic) and the like, then at least have the balls to take it to TNZ and see what kind of reaction you'll get there.
Here though, those kinds of comments add nothing to the discussion and are trolling, and will be warned as such if it starts becoming commonplace again. And that goes for similar comments from the opposing side. Consider this fair warning. Improve the level of your debate or don't debate at all.
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While I would hope not, there is definitely truth in what you're saying. We quickly become jaded and indifferent to what we would consider old news. It happens. It doesn't help that our society is so A.D.D in the head that 10 second news bites are all we can tolerate.
J.
You know, for once I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. History is on my side here.
Was that the reason? It was certainly okay when Bush was in office.
This is the problem with giving someone so partisan modship. Silence the opposition. It's okay to call Palin a mouth breathing fundie (as one example) without a mention.
I have no interaction with that poster. By your tone, you wouldn't be trying to flame me would you?
Take it to TNZ? Because being able to flame raises the level of conversation.
Guess I'll have to Sir.
I've tried improving the level of all discussions and asked people to respond with reasoning and not personal attacks. You were one of those people if you recall. I admit epic FAIL.
Now, who wants healthcare taxing?
