nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Earth!

[Guartho]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

It could certainly be taken that way at first glance, but Genesis 2 specifically says that God put man in the garden some time after creating him. It says that man was formed from the dust of the Earth. It does not specify where. Perhaps he took the dust to Heaven, Mars, or even Kobol, then made animals, then made man, then made plants, then put man on Earth in the garden. The Bible isn't clear. Perhaps He'll come out with a special extended DVD edition that will clear this up.

 

[Guartho]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

I was not attacking you. I'm on your side. It's just a surprising turn, that's all.

Sorry if my post sounded too defensive. This is, after all, a joke thread (I think)

 

[SonicRanger]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

When has this become a discussion about the Bible?

We are talking about inconsistencies in creation myths and the flawed proposition by some that two inconsistent creation myths are, in their view, really consistent. The older myth is, by definition, better and should be the canon one.

Bottom line:

Just like with Star Trek, what is most important in the Bible are the details and canon. Without the canon, it is pointless. The same goes for Star Trek.

 

[CoveTom]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

Okay, so let me see if I've got this straight...

- This thread started as a satirical discussion of Trek XI and its relation to Star Trek canon.
- It then moved into discussing attitudes about sex.
- It is now discussing whether or not the two creation stories in Genesis are contradictory to one another.

Might I suggest that next we move into a discussion of the relative merits of Windows vs. Linux? That would seem to be a direction that makes as much sense...

 

[SonicRanger]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

Okay, so let me see if I've got this straight...

- This thread started as a satirical discussion of Trek XI and its relation to Star Trek canon.
- It then moved into discussing attitudes about sex.
- It is now discussing whether or not the two creation stories in Genesis are contradictory to one another.

Might I suggest that next we move into a discussion of the relative merits of Windows vs. Linux? That would seem to be a direction that makes as much sense...

That would be a complete non sequitur and entirely tangential to this discussion.

The contrasting creation myths and canon in Trek and the Bible is entirely valid. And defending Roddenberry's vision for the sexuality of 23rd-century humans was entirely necessary due to the heresy of some posters here.

If you cannot see the seriousness of all this, perhaps the thread on Uhura's underwear is more your speed.

 

[theFirebottle]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

...heresy...

I don't know whether I should be or .

Since I'm on break at work, you'll have to settle for instead.

 

[Augustus]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

It could certainly be taken that way at first glance, but Genesis 2 specifically says that God put man in the garden some time after creating him. It says that man was formed from the dust of the Earth. It does not specify where. Perhaps he took the dust to Heaven, Mars, or even Kobol, then made animals, then made man, then made plants, then put man on Earth in the garden. The Bible isn't clear. Perhaps He'll come out with a special extended DVD edition that will clear this up.

Just to add my two cents, The Bible is not meant to be a step, by step "This is how" creation story. But more of a recognition that God created everything, from the planet to the skies, to the plants and animals and then humans. What exact order and how he did it and the time line of it all doesn't make much difference if you miss the main point that God was the creator of all things and as such we recognize him as Deity.

That is the way I see it...

But then again, what do I know, I actually like the new movie.. so I must be a heretic.

 

[CoveTom]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

^ As a Roman Catholic, I happen to agree with you. But I suspect you'll raise the ire of alot of Christians who insist that Genesis must be taken literally.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

But, can any of us comment on sex in the 23rd Century, since none of us have had sex in the 23rd Century?

 

[Guartho]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

I have. It says so in the Bible.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

But, Biblically speaking, there is ambiguity regarding the "when" of a sexual occurrence, as opposed to a "where".

We know of the Garden of Eden and all the temptation that it holds (there were a number of different groups of Temptations, IIRC), but it does not say when it happens.

Nor does it mention that there will be a Love Instructor or Love Guru attending. Merely a rib and an apple.

 

[Guartho]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

Not necessarily an apple, just a fruit. Specifying the fruit as an apple was added by those Catholics with all their fan-written supplementary materials which are, of course, not canon.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

Just think of the implications of that for a minute. Also, think of the available produce on Earth at that time, Biblically speaking.

Do you think, in all religious seriousness, that someone made the apple fanon to sell more apples, or sell more Bibles?

 

[Guartho]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

I think it was Johnny Appleseed trying to make himself seam more cool and more of an anti-hero.

 

[CoveTom]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

Specifying the fruit as an apple was added by those Catholics with all their fan-written supplementary materials which are, of course, not canon.

They are officially-licensed tie-ins!

 

[Guartho]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

Officially licensed tie-ins are not canon either. They're just there to make money for the license holder.

The Pope is the Rick Berman of Christianity. I await our coming redemption by Jesus James Abra(ha)ms.

 

[Augustus]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

Wow, this thread just reached "SPOCK SHOULD BE CONSTANTLY SHOUTING" levels of absurdity.

 

[Gepard]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

I await our coming redemption by Jesus James Abra(ha)ms.

Win.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

Wow, this thread just reached "SPOCK SHOULD BE CONSTANTLY SHOUTING" levels of absurdity.

No, that would be when a translation of the Bible comes out that has Adam shouting "THE WOMEN!" and it was so.

 

[SonicRanger]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

The Pope is the Rick Berman of Christianity. I await our coming redemption by Jesus James Abra(ha)ms.

No, no... You have it all backwards. Abrams and his minions are like the writers of the Apocrypha, that is, later garbage meant to be tossed aside because it does not fit the vision set forth for us by Roddenberry.